How should I have played this?

blakewyte

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I hit a straight on the flop and am guessing that maybe villain was drawing to a flush. I don't understand why he would still call me on the turn because I bet quite big.


pokerstars Hand #107757362020: Tournament #810002590, Freeroll Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (80/160) - 2013/11/29 22:45:41 CCT [2013/11/29 9:45:41 ET]
Table '810002590 1032' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: mike21117 (680 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 2: Valechka57 (520 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 3: yinn8177 (10916 in chips)
Seat 4: grocik92 (8398 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 5: almetneft (1900 in chips)
Seat 6: shnurok82 (2030 in chips)
Seat 7: sacredness11 (3525 in chips)
Seat 8: Andreyand364 (2110 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 9: NDunny (2925 in chips)
mike21117: posts the ante 15
Valechka57: posts the ante 15
yinn8177: posts the ante 15
grocik92: posts the ante 15
almetneft: posts the ante 15
shnurok82: posts the ante 15
sacredness11: posts the ante 15
Andreyand364: posts the ante 15
NDunny: posts the ante 15
yinn8177: posts small blind 80
grocik92: posts big blind 160
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to yinn8177 [4c 5d]
almetneft: folds
shnurok82: calls 160
sacredness11: folds
Andreyand364: folds
NDunny: calls 160
mike21117: folds
Valechka57: folds
yinn8177: calls 80
grocik92: folds
*** FLOP *** [3c 7c 6d]
yinn8177: bets 160
shnurok82: calls 160
NDunny: raises 160 to 320
yinn8177: raises 160 to 480
shnurok82: folds
NDunny: calls 160
*** TURN *** [3c 7c 6d] [Jd]
yinn8177: bets 1120
NDunny: calls 1120
*** RIVER *** [3c 7c 6d Jd] [2s]
yinn8177: bets 9141 and is all-in
NDunny: folds
Uncalled bet (9141) returned to yinn8177
yinn8177 collected 4135 from pot
yinn8177: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4135 | Rake 0
Board [3c 7c 6d Jd 2s]
Seat 1: mike21117 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Valechka57 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: yinn8177 (small blind) collected (4135)
Seat 4: grocik92 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: almetneft folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: shnurok82 folded on the Flop
Seat 7: sacredness11 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Andreyand364 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: NDunny folded on the River


I guess if I wanted to maximise my winnings, I shouldn't have gone all-in on the river and instead, maybe do a value bet.
 
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Yeah dont shove like that on the river, a value bet would have been better....with the shove you are folding out all worse hands and will never be called.
 
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Thanks AlfieAA.

Should I have bet 1/2 or 2/3 of the pot instead?
 
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well he's not got alot of chips left at this point so maybe a check/call/raise would have been better but you dont know if he would do that lol.....maybe just bet 1/3 of the pot and you might get a call if he wants to look you up...dont think he's calling 1/2 or 2/3 unless he had a nutted hand, which he doesnt.
 
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Bet more on the flop. When you flop a big hand and want to end up with more chips in the pot at the end, the best way is to build the pot through the course of the hand. Thinking you should bet small to keep the opponent in the hand is fairly common thinking, but is usually sub-optimal poker.

In this hand, what do you think the opponent's calling / raising range is if you bet 1/3 pot on the flop as you did? And what's his range if you bet 1/2 pot? 2/3 pot? There isn't likely to be a huge difference among these ranges, and the hands that will stay in for 160 but fold for more are the weakest part of his pre-flop range, and not very likely to pay off multiple streets of value anyway. So, the idea by betting bigger on the flop, is to extract more from the opponent when he has enough of a hand for this to happen. You give up extracting a small amount of value from a small part of his range that will seldom pay you off big anyway, but this is a small price to pay.

Similarly, after your flop bet is raised, re-raise for more than the min.

It looks like you were thinking and playing one street at a time. After flopping the nuts, you should have been thinking how to get maximum value. Asking how on the river is too late.
 
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So from here:

*** FLOP *** [3c 7c 6d]
yinn8177: bets 160
shnurok82: calls 160
NDunny: raises 160 to 320
yinn8177: raises 160 to 480
shnurok82: folds
NDunny: calls 160


I should have bet more on the flop (> 160). You're right that I wanted to keep the other two players in and was worried that had I bet more, I would have chased them away and thus not be able to extract value. On the other hand, I wanted to check if anyone had connected with the flop, hence the small bet and was happy when there was a raise.

Although I'm guessing right now that I should have re-raised more (maybe about 500-650 instead of 480)?

I guess I wanted him to draw for something, maybe hit top pair or two pair. I think at one point I was worried that if I committed more and he called that he would have hit a flush on the turn. Though that could just be over-thinking on my part.

It looks like you were thinking and playing one street at a time. After flopping the nuts, you should have been thinking how to get maximum value. Asking how on the river is too late.

Of which I'm glad to get advice from CC-ers. As I mentioned before in some of my threads that I am very weak when it comes to bet-sizing (slowly learning) and thus wanted to understand and improve on how I should be playing and betting accordingly.

Still, thanks :)
 
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