How to play this hand.

Lets say you are in the button with Kh-10d. Everyone folds to you and a semi-tight player raises 2,5/3bbs. You call and the blinds fold. The call might be wrong, but don't look at it, it about the situation i want to discus after the flop. Lets say the flop is 8h-6h-2d the agressor raises 100% of the pot and is representing a overpair. What do you do? If you go for the call, and no heart hitted. What do you do? And what do you do if you go for the call and a king hits, and he continues betting on the turn? I think all of you been in these situations where the call on the flop is easy and you lose chips because you miss the turn and are forced to fold because the price for the river is to high. Recently i've been thinking a lot about how to play these hands. Because if you keep calling those C-bets, and keep missing the turns you lose a lot of chips overall by making those calls>folds. Should those hands be played differently? And how do you play these hands?

Thanks for reading,


Mat

I believe that in the situation like that it's better to fold after the flop is not promising a very strong hand in the end. But all this also depends on the sizes of the stacks. Based on that, it will be easier to determine the bet made by the opponent - is it a "call-me" bet or a "please fold" bet.

Yeah exactly. But a huge bet mostly represents a overpair here, or a set which is scared for another heart. You mostly want them to call (if having a overpair or set), but you want to make the turn card expensive for his possible draw. So at the flop the best play is to either fold or go all in, but not call? Because you know if you miss the turn, he's going to bet again?

for the above comment, lets say you have 20bb

I'm not seeing how the call on the flop is a easy call. In my eyes that is an easy fold.

PokerFunKid said:

for the above comment, lets say you have 20bb

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I will definitely fold simply because even if the opponent has nothing at that point (but AK for instance), there is a big chance that i will lose. Going all in will be too risky, more likely you will get a call (even if there is no overpair, 99 for example). There is a wide range of starting hands that can explain the initial raise and the most of the time we will lose.

Hmm i see. Thats maybe what i was doing wrong most of the time. Sometimes i call those bets and hope for my draw to hit. But i think i've maybe also gave a wrong example, with less outs then i actualy ment. But it still has a couple of outs.

Lets say he has pocket 9s, you will still win 53% of the time.
Lets say he has aces, you still will win 37% of the time.

A better example is the hand MOD played a few days ago, ill ask him if i can use it for review.

IMO its a fold,cause you still left with some 17 playable bb and no need to be pot committed on the flop with villain representing an overpair.Unless you got Kh 10h.

Yeah true, theres a lot of hands beating K 10 off there. Ill use another example soon, which is a harder decision. I just made this one myself, tried to represent something else.

This is the hand: What do you think how to play this? Should you play it this way? What do you think is the best play?

Seat 1: Esuki (29,358)
Seat 2: muggi666 (6,373)
Seat 3: twirls92 (1,592)
Seat 4: Luckholder1 (25,926)
Seat 5: pokerproplaya08 (13,070)
Seat 6: Justafa44 (6,187)
Seat 7: random_chu (4,650)
Seat 8: Nievez (8,681), is sitting out
Seat 9: zaccheo (6,041)
Esuki antes 25
twirls92 antes 25
Luckholder1 antes 25
pokerproplaya08 antes 25
Justafa44 antes 25
random_chu antes 25
Nievez antes 25
zaccheo antes 25
twirls92 posts the small blind of 120
Luckholder1 posts the big blind of 240
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Luckholder1 [Jh Ah]
pokerproplaya08 raises to 600
Justafa44 folds
random_chu folds
Nievez folds
zaccheo folds
Esuki calls 600
twirls92 folds
Luckholder1 calls 360
*** FLOP *** [Th 2c 3h] (Total Pot: 2,120, 3 Players)
Luckholder1 checks
pokerproplaya08 bets 1,470
Esuki raises to 3,120
Luckholder1 has 15 seconds left to act
Luckholder1 calls 3,120
pokerproplaya08 folds
*** TURN *** [Th 2c 3h] 4♠ (Total Pot: 9,830, 2 Players)
Luckholder1 has 15 seconds left to act
Luckholder1 checks
Esuki bets 4,560
Luckholder1 has 15 seconds left to act
Luckholder1 has requested TIME
Luckholder1 folds
Uncalled bet of 4,560 returned to Esuki
Esuki mucks
Esuki wins the pot (9,830)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 9,830 | Rake 0
Board: [Th 2c 3h 4s]
Seat 1: Esuki (button) collected (9,830), mucked
Seat 2: muggi666 is sitting out
Seat 3: twirls92 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 4: Luckholder1 (big blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 5: pokerproplaya08 folded on the Flop
Seat 6: Justafa44 folded before the Flop
Seat 7: random_chu folded before the Flop
Seat 8: Nievez folded before the Flop
Seat 9: zaccheo folded before the Flop

not sure if best play. But I think I might of called to see if I could hit the nut flush. I mean he only bet 1\2 pot on turn, yet he re-raise on flop. Smells like 10A or a set, possible overpair

I just think calling with K10 is the wrong move from the start. But if you are somehow in the hand with K10 and you get that crappy flop you might want to reraise on the flop to really see where you really are in the hand. If they come over the top and push harder then fold. I dont calling the raise to see another card when there just going to hammer you again on the turn. Best bet is not to even call pre-flop with that hand.

You understand that calling with k10 is the wrong move. So we are past that.
Before you even see the flop you have to quickly prepare yourself mentally what you are going to do regardless of the flop.