how to play against people who play everyhand

i mean, right now im at a table where the guy who has 9 dollars is playing everyhand, he had 3 dollars when i joined.

you raise he calls, you miss and he wins. you cant c-bet him because he calls.
then when you hit top pair, he has two pair or a flush.
raising to 4x 5x and he calls with k2 suited.

my god how do i beat this guy?
im playing tight.

and dont say keep playing tight and aggressive because i miss more than i hit and he knows this and is just reraising me, i cant call with air.

im at a loose end with these people.

they dont work on logic/. :argh:


EDIT! He never raises. always flat calls the bb

Bet/fold for value. You're probably just having a bad run at the moment. Never C-bet unless you have a hand good enough to bet on later streets. In general TP+ or flush draws.

EZGAME.

ScottishMatt said:

Bet/fold for value. You're probably just having a bad run at the moment. Never C-bet unless you have a hand good enough to bet on later streets. In general TP+ or flush draws.

EZGAME.

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2 days ago i doubled my bank roll. im back to were i was.

i havent changed my play in general. but this guy is calling with everything. how can someone hit so many hands? its like playing the lotto.

he called me with k6 off and got a flush on the turn to beat my trips.

life isnt fair.

Leave that table?

dj11 said:

Leave that table?

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running isnt the solution, i want to learn how to beat these people. not avoid them.

thats why i want advice


edit just made a full house against him

3 10 10 10 board, he shoved with 3s called with qq.

risky though.

This is variance. If keep playing the good hands, it will turn around.
Question is how long your br can take it....

AugustWest said:

This is variance. If keep playing the good hands, it will turn around.
Question is how long your br can take it....

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my bankroll has been a yoyo from 8dollars to 40 dollars.

i play 4nl because they wont let me in the 2nl tables anymore. pkr said i wasnt aloud at them anymore.

its at 21 dollars right now.

Just be patient and wait for big hand, eventually he will pay you off. If he limps a lot, then limp behind him, don't raise him with marginal hands. If you hit the board, Bet very big(even overbet).If you don't hit you can get away very cheap. They have no brain nor they know anything about pot odds. Those are first class donkeys. Very exploitable if you know how to handle them. And raise your big hands preflop AK; AA, KK, QQ as much as you can , and later just continue overbetting. Don't ever try to bluff them.
GL

AvaloNNN said:

Just be patient and wait for big hand, eventually he will pay you off. If he limps a lot, then limp behind him, don't raise him with marginal hands. If you hit the board, Bet very big(even overbet).If you don't hit you can get away very cheap. They have no brain nor they know anything about pot odds. Those are first class donkeys. Very exploitable if you know how to handle them. And raise your big hands preflop AK; AA, KK, QQ as much as you can , and later just continue overbetting. Don't ever try to bluff them.
GL

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so if i raise ak preflop to 24 even 30 cent preflop (twice my standard for 4nl)
and he calls and i miss ak , should i c-bet knowing he will call or raise me?

I would personally switch tables, I know you said you don't want to run away from this guy and you probably want revenge on him, but you could lose your bankroll doing that.

Its great that you got a FH on him, I bet that felt good.

If you did decide to switch tables and play decent poker without donks like him getting all the luck, you could mark him down as a donk and when you are back on track with your bankroll, you could seek him out and try to take him down later.

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I would personally switch tables, I know you said you don't want to run away from this guy and you probably want revenge on him, but you could lose your bankroll doing that.

Its great that you got a FH on him, I bet that felt good.

If you did decide to switch tables and play decent poker without donks like him getting all the luck, you could mark him down as a donk and when you are back on track with your bankroll, you could seek him out and try to take him down later.

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i moved table and was value betting a donk to the river until they hit a flush.

why are they so lucky.

playtheman said:

so if i raise ak preflop to 24 even 30 cent preflop (twice my standard for 4nl)
and he calls and i miss ak , should i c-bet knowing he will call or raise me?

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You play 0,01 ; 0,02 right?
Let's assume you hold AK, which is a premium starting hand. Odds of flopping a TPTK ( in this case probably the nuts) are approximately 33 % or 2:1, which means, in average, out of three times, two times you will miss and you will hit once. That's 2:1

Now the main part.

As you said this guy never folds, and he calls every single c-bet. Great for us. Let's do some math:
- So you hold AK and you raise to 10c (5BB) and he calls. Pot now 23 :

-Case 1: The flop comes Q 9 7 rainbow, so you miss and you don't c/bet and you just check/fold.
RESULT: you lost 10c

-Case2: The flop comes 778 , so you miss and you don't c/bet and you just check/fold.
RESULT: you lost 10c

-Case3: The flop comes Kh 10h 2s. You make a pot size bet, he calls, pot now 69c. Turn: 9 d. You again bet strong, and he folds. You collect 69c from the pot.

RESULT: you won 36c.

Summary:

Case1: you lost 10c
Case2: you lost 10c
Case3: you won 36c

Profit: you made 16c.

Not to mention what happens when you hit a set and he flops Top pair, you can easily stack him off. Also, if you have TPTK on a dry board, just keep betting big, he will probably call you at least two streets if he hits anything i.e. (top pair weaker kicker, middle pair, sometimes even bottom pair)

You will do very good in the long run against these opponents.

Sounds like a tilt issue. You want this guy to be at your table.

You mentioned "i miss more than i hit and he knows this and is just reraising me, i cant call with air." First, I dont think he knows that you hit more than you miss. He just likes raising. You just aint getting hands. It happens.

Like I said, sounds like a tilt issue..

if I didn't know better I would think I was writing his chat.
Don't take this the wrong way but the Asians are killing me at ring games, just like he says, they hit everything. Had kk pushed strong got the call 94off, don't think I need to go further, just how do you call like that?

playtheman said:

EDIT! He never raises. always flat calls the bb

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Then if you are in SB or BTN, raise an UTG range and raise it BIG. Be ready to GII on many flops.

guppystew said:

if I didn't know better I would think I was writing his chat.
Don't take this the wrong way but the Asians are killing me at ring games, just like he says, they hit everything. Had kk pushed strong got the call 94off, don't think I need to go further, just how do you call like that?

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my aces got put all in preflop by 4s after i raised, they hit a 4 on the turn.

these people either have huge balls or just come in my path the times they win.
because i dont seem them losing.

Identifying fish/donkeys is great.

You can't always attack them just because you see them, you need the right bait to catch a fish and unfortunately you seem to be out. Just hold off for a while and be PATIENT hopefully he sticks around by the time you get your cards.

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Then if you are in SB or BTN, raise an UTG range and raise it BIG. Be ready to GII on many flops.

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utg aa kk ak aq qq etc? people have dif ranges.

Aces2w1n said:

Identifying fish/donkeys is great.

You can't always attack them just because you see them, you need the right bait to catch a fish and unfortunately you seem to be out. Just hold off for a while and be PATIENT hopefully he sticks around by the time you get your cards.

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it gets frustrating and i should be more patient,
i agree with you, i need the right bate

playtheman said:

utg aa kk ak aq qq etc? people have dif ranges.

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It will depend on if he really calls every time from the BB. I would open - from what I have read so far - 99+, AJs+, AQo+, KQs. But you said he always hits. We both know this is not true. So when he doesent, how does he play? Or does he stay in on a A Q 9 two tone flop with K high no FD or SD? Does he only continue with draws and pairs? Will he stack off with a draw? There will certainly be ways to exploit him. You will, however (as you seem to have seen lol) have to deal with variance. You can also just tighten WAY up, if he calls loose pre and tightens up post.

Post some hands. Never hurts.

Oh yea, I really do think this is a guy you want to play. But if he is tilting you, or the results are, just stop pr change tables. A "good player to play" is only such if you are in the correct mental state.

You have not told us where you are playing or what stakes. If online, make sure you write yourself notes. Include the date, and stakes.

Reminds me of a guy I played heads up with a couple weeks ago, we probably played somewhere between 100-200 hands and he honestly never folded once. The funny thing is I had to reload 3 times because he hit a 3 outer on me twice when we were both all in, so in the end I ended up with a 3 BB profit because the rake ate some much of the money lol. So yeah, just wait for hands and hopefully they will hold up for you. Best of luck!

bring about 20bb short stack

since he play every hand no fold.

waiting for any hands you think is better against his hand , just push preflop at 20bb.

what ever he calls, the more he calls with random anytwo the more chance you have edge against him.

Sounds like a lot of you don't like playing post flop. Improve your game and you won't want to move tables, you'll even be prepared to pay a premium to sit with them.

Also there's a lot of talk of 'they always hit it/get there'.

No they don't.

Don't bring a short stack... This guy is just giving away his money, when you get a pair just bet/bet/bet it.