How many use a HUD and if not, how did you wean yourself off?

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The title pretty much says it all.

I am thinking of not relying on a hud going forward. I know that if I have a set of numbers on someone with a large sample, 250+ hands, and they bet outside of that range, I get pissed at the HUD. Why didn't you tell me a 24/16/3 would bet 53s in the CO of a 6mx game???? :)

What tips or tricks to try did you use to get out of using a hud? I am not ditching the software for hand analysis.

How many tables did you play at first? What is your max # of tables with no hud?

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I love my HUD! It gives me lots of useful and relevant information as long as I don't rely too much on stats that take a lot of hands to converge. As I'm sure you know, it only gives you a reference point and can't tell you exactly which hands someone will raise in which position. By looking at the percentages though we can get an idea of the range of hands a villain plays in each position and how our own range in our position plays against theirs.

If you play just 1 or 2 tables you can probably do without but if you're multi-tabling then that's another reason to use your HUD as it can be difficult to keep all that info in your head and you don't have as much time for writing notes.

Have you thought of customising your HUD? If you haven't then maybe you could remove most of the info and only keep the stats that you know you'll use and that don't need tons of hands before they are accurate.
 
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I don't use it myself. I tried on several occasions but I find it's more of a distraction than help for me. Also, if you're planning on or already play live, it's going to mess up your game.
 
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Honeycrush: I have a very customized hud with killer Notes Caddy definitions. I guess sometimes it is a bitch of a time when someone goes WAY out of their current ranges. Oh well, live and learn.

EtherGhost: Live you have to use your brain as the hud so I totally get your POV.
How many tables do you play online? Just curious.
 
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I don't use it myself. I tried on several occasions but I find it's more of a distraction than help for me.

I second this. I do use one sometimes... but basically just for a quick VP/PFR reference. I sometimes look at fold to 3bet etc.. but not often.
 
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sorry but what is HUD?:confused:

HUD means Heads Up Display. It's a program which shows you other players stats when sitting at the tables.

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Honestly, I really only use my HUD for multi-tabling cash games. The way I weaned myself off of "overhudding" was to start taking more notes. This allowed me to focus more on gameplay and less on numbers against my opponents. I do however still keep my HUD up and reset it at every table change because I like to be aware of what kind of table image I'm giving off without "self note" taking. It's great for self analysis and even better when trying to play 12 tables at once and want to grind playing ABC style and not paying too much attention to a single table. Other than that, I'd say try to focus on one or two tables and note taking and it will help immensely. Good luck on the felt.
 
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"Better to have no statistics at all, than you use it wrong" -. I do not remember who said it but I completely agree with him
If you play no more than two tables, you do not need it. HUD useful only for multitabling.
 
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In addition to your HUD, take notes on betting patterns and use this in association with what the HUD is telling you.If a HUD passive player is betting and your notes on betting patterns say he only gets aggressive on the flop when he hits, the you need a strong hand to continue.
The HUD is useful to give you Cbetting patterns and WTSD, if you only use it for VPIP and PFR then you will be led astray.
 
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I've never used a HUD I had the software but had an issue and I left it expire.

The most effective thing I believe for poker online is taking note on how a player is playing in that specific given game (especially tournaments)

so for me note stuff like -

*calling pre flop folding on flop
*shutting down on the turn after C-bets
*bets large with top pair
*Limps weak hands/or Limps good hands
*playing badly OOP
*any wholecards at showdown so you can work out why they played this way.

What you find is the information we take at the precise time is going to more more accurate, the players could be on tilt or tired or mass multi tabling and playing predictable ABC Range etc

I would just reccommend note taking to wean off using HUD and thinking more about players that use hud to understand what they are trying to do to us 'for example' I love players who mass multi-table because they will try and exploit me and i'll react to this Im aware I have a high aggression factor and this will effect how players react to my pre flop action etc
 
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I enjoy a HUD, but the problem you might be having is that you're no longer using other non HUD skills that you should still be using with your HUD.

For example, if you're 6 hands in, and your opponent has opened all 3 hands from the SB, you'd see a 100% open raise on his button. But there is a huge difference between you seeing KK, AA, AK in those 3 hands, and 73o, K2o, J3. If you've seen 3 hands and they are all strong, you absolutely should not assume this opponent is opening near 100% of his hands on the button. If you've seen the weaker set of 3 that I mention, then you probably can assume he's opening a very wide range of hands on the button.

My point is, the HUD is great for giving you access to a lot of information quickly, but you still need to pay attention and understand the types of hands you're seeing over these samples, otherwise you're going to make a ton of poor decisions using your HUD (especially when you have a smaller sample of hands).

Also, the stats you have on your HUD is important too. You may see someone opening 20% from one position, so you assume their range on the turn (after they had opened preflop) is mostly those 20% of hands, minus some other hands that might not usually cbet. But if you missed info previously that shows them taking a different action with a lot of weaker flop hands, you're now assuming they have too wide a range on the turn (and a call or raise would be against a much stronger range than you assume your opponent has).

Cliffs - Using the HUD properly is also very important, it can hurt you if you just read #s and make decisions without taking into account anything else.
 
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