How many SNGs do you need to say how good you are..

I have been running good in SNG's, need to know what a good base line is ???
So far i have been in 30, with a win rate of 56.00%, thats with D&N sit%gos, reg sit&gos. And i have been asking myself is this good???
Also i find TAG seams to be the best way to win, when i get the chip lead i don't bully the table much. But when i find a bully i take him down for playing crap..
Thats for pokerstars.
I shall post my charts from UB, and PS..

You need a lot bigger sample than that i would think around 500 games you should start to really see where you are, use good brm though and you should have some real success. Also if your playing d&n then you need to cash about 60% of the time to make a small profit. Reg sitngo's are better for the good sitngo player. Check your roi on sharkscope to track your progress

ROI is a much more significant number if you are including both normal SnGs and DoNs because of the different prize structure.

Once you are up 20-25 buy-ins, you can be fairly certain you are a winning player. You will need about 1000 SnGs under your belt for your ROI to come anywhere close to converging. 30 SnGs doesn't tell you much. You could be crushing the game or you could be running good.

In terms of the baseline, it really depends on the structure. For DoNs, ~15% ROI is sustainable for the low limits. For STTs, ~20% ROI is sustainable for low limits. Technically, any true ROI > 0 is good.

TAG and LAG are not really the ways to think about most SnGs. Learning to steal and to ICM push/fold is a much more efficient way of thinking about a game where you are almost always short stacked.

Numbuh 0ne said:

You need a lot bigger sample than that i would think around 500 games you should start to really see where you are, use good brm though and you should have some real success. Also if your playing d&n then you need to cash about 60% of the time to make a small profit. Reg sitngo's are better for the good sitngo player. Check your roi on sharkscope to track your progress

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If you cash in 60% of DoNs, that's around 15% ROI which is very very good. At Stars, anything above 52% is a profit for the 5.20+.

just ballparking here, but after 5k sngs your roi should probably be within +/-3% of your 'true' ROI. after 1k it's maybe +/-10%, after 30 it's, umm, something ridiculous.

Oh ok, so my stats would not be that good then:smile:
Here are the stats that you asked about Most of the PS are DoNs, The UB ones, well you know CC games plus some, MTTs, SNG's here and there.

Dorkus Malorkus said:

just ballparking here, but after 5k sngs your roi should probably be within +/-3% of your 'true' ROI. after 1k it's maybe +/-10%, after 30 it's, umm, something ridiculous.

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Yeah I would say that's about right.

Thanks, based on rereading BRM, i can move up on ub in sit&gos to 5.50, when i hit 200, i can move up in ring games to.
I know i can play with some great players..

well your stats aren't 'not good', they're just somewhat meaningless.

nice little heater though.

Dorkus Malorkus said:

well your stats aren't 'not good', they're just somewhat meaningless.

nice little heater though.

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LOL, thought, I ante bad now am i I get to move up on UB now