How many buy-ins should I have to justify playing 5+80c DoN SnG's

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Thinking about building my bankroll by playing these. I just don't want to play the $1 DoN's.
 
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That 16% rake is pretty lame. 25-30 buy-ins should be plenty though.
 
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Well lets see its hard to know without knowing how many tables you play a day assuming you wanted to play for a year you just multiply your daily buy-ins by 365. so if you played 10 $5.40 sit and goes a day thats $54 now if we multiply that by 365 we get $19710. That is the bank roll you should have. I assume you may win 20%-30% but I think you just want to assume you'd lose everything so u have a buffer zone. The reason I am been so pessimistic is because you actually thought that playing $5.80s dons may be worth it. Anyone who thinks that 16% rake is good and would consider playing these is not a winning player. I assume you have lost a lot. I would recommend the $5.20 turbo double or nothings because these make a faster profit and you pay a lot less rake. However in your case you would just lose faster. I suggest you don't quit your day job.
 
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Well lets see its hard to know without knowing how many tables you play a day assuming you wanted to play for a year you just multiply your daily buy-ins by 365. so if you played 10 $5.40 sit and goes a day thats $54 now if we multiply that by 365 we get $19710. That is the bank roll you should have. I assume you may win 20%-30% but I think you just want to assume you'd lose everything so u have a buffer zone. The reason I am been so pessimistic is because you actually thought that playing $5.80s dons may be worth it. Anyone who thinks that 16% rake is good and would consider playing these is not a winning player. I assume you have lost a lot. I would recommend the $5.20 turbo double or nothings because these make a faster profit and you pay a lot less rake. However in your case you would just lose faster. I suggest you don't quit your day job.

This has to be the tightest I've ever seen anyone in b/r management!:eek: I think you may want to go read our b/r management section here.
 
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Jesus 300x the buy-in? That's outrageous. Phil Ivey could barely enter the wsop if he followed this rule!
 
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This has to be the tightest I've ever seen anyone in b/r management!:eek: I think you may want to go read our b/r management section here.


na im fine with bank roll management I tend to stick to 20-30 myself but I just think Extreme losing players should have very tight bank roll management
 
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But that's overkill, luke. Max I would ever feel I needed was 100, and that would be for cash games NLHE. SNG's probably about 50 at max.
 
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Thinking about building my bankroll by playing these. I just don't want to play the $1 DoN's.

If you're willing to move down, 20 buy-ins (bi's) with a 10% return on investment (roi) and 30 buyins with a 5% roi. If you're not, 30 (bi's) with a 10% roi and 40 bi's. Fwiw, 5% roi = 56.7% in the money (itm) and 10% roi = 59.5% itm.

Jesus 300x the buy-in? That's outrageous. Phil Ivey could barely enter the WSOP if he followed this rule!

I think his bankroll is much bigger than that :p

na im fine with bank roll management I tend to stick to 20-30 myself but I just think Extreme losing players should have very tight bank roll management

There is no point in bankroll management for a losing player. When we give bankroll management advice, we must assume they are a winning player. If someone is a losing player, they will eventually lose all there money meaning risk of ruin = 100%. This defeats the purpose of bankroll management.

But that's overkill, luke. Max I would ever feel I needed was 100, and that would be for cash games NLHE. SNG's probably about 50 at max.

Traditional bankroll management is very very overgeneralized. Your risk of ruin is highly dependent on the structure of what you play and your cashing distribution (this is basically your roi). Just as an example, if a 5% roi player in the $11 180's plays them with 50 bi's, there is a very large chance they go busto.
 
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I go with 5% of the bank roll for single table but for multi-table go for 2%
 
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I suggest you don't quit your day job.

na im fine with bank roll management I tend to stick to 20-30 myself but I just think Extreme losing players should have very tight bank roll management

So are you accusing him of being and extreme losing player? That's not a very good way to welcome a fairly new CCer. C'mon, he's simply asking a legitimate question no reason to be so harsh.
 
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Are you currently a winning $1 DoN player?

I would recommend at least a $250 bankroll to move up to $5, if you have less you could try tourneys with a buyin of $2 or $4 instead.

You could also consider playing regular SnGs. If you like the large number of ITM places, some sites play out 4 or even 5 places. This can reduce boredom by avoiding the 30minutes of folding that ends many DoN tourney.
 
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