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How important is mathematics?
Question's in the title.
Basically, I've never been great at maths. I've read about maths in poker and I've kind of used it minimally up until now. I'm fine with counting my outs and using the 4 and 2 rule to work out a rough percentage of making my hand and I kind of get pot odds, but I use them both very minimally. Also, how important is it to keep track of the pot size? Is it best to know exactly how much money is in the middle, or is it okay to know the rough amount and make your bets/calculations based on that? Thanks in advance! The Maths Dunce 
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Math is pretty important.
For the most part being able to roughly estimate what the right size bet is will work. but if you do your homework you will very quickly notice patterns  number of callers and pot sizes don't vary that much. So you can know what the exact right size bet is based on experience. In other regards being able to determine your outs vs what their range is will help you determine when a bet will be profitable or not more quickly. Being able to quickly determine how often a certain bet size needs to work to show profit (if they fold automatically then it is pure +EV right then, or if you have outs to draw then it can be even better when you hit, etc.). That is really important. Poker math is usually not hard, but if very good players are typically very good at math. 
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Those you mention above are just the ones needed at poker math (including preflop starting hand percentages). Meaning, basic math is enough.
Live, you dont need to know or calculate exactly the pot. Rough estimates can do. You might give tells to your opponent. Goodluck at the tables. 
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re: Poker & How important is mathematics?
Dude, i think you should search about the matter you're looking for, because there are a lot of thread about that with some great tips and books you can read. I think it is useful we are doing the same question countless times.
Im not saying that you cant do this, but you can find some important information that you want. But if you need something else, of course you should do a new thread. You belong to us so you have the same rights to do threads, but it is just well sense Keep studying and good luck on the tables... 
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Thanks for all the advice gents. So far joining this site is the best thing i've done poker wise! 
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It is very important in my opinion... I figured out +ev/ev on my own and it is great to know! If you ever want to be competitive in games you need to know math... And what you say about getting busted too much is completely not true... I did a simulation after reading this vs hot and cold 100 times (Took about a half hour); AA won 81 times and 45s won 19, which is very close to the statistics... Cards do not have feelings and do not care who wins, just remember that

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Math is poker. But more importantly, math can describe anything. It's a language, an idea people tend to overlook.
The common debate in the poker world posed "Are you a math player or a feel player?" And it's a fun debate to entertain, but the problem is created by the question. Essentially, what is happening is that the brain processes information in a number of ways  the most quantifiable and able to be communicated of which is done in terms of math. When I tell you that I jumped very high, that's a lot different than saying I jumped 1.25 meters off the ground with a still start. I've added rules. I've added specifics. If you saw me jump, you might be able to guess at the height or know that it was high, but without quantifying the results, you can't measure them specifically. The highest stakes poker games are ALL about specifics. A handful of the best players in the world recognize patterns in betting, mannerisms, and bet sizing in ways that allow them to exploit most players less than world class. A player who relies on pattern recognition alone will fall when he meets a player who has worked on not giving off patterns and who has a deep mathematical understanding of the game. This type of thinking has dominated several other fields in the recent past, like agriculture and stock trading. Years of experience certainly paint the general picture, but when you need specifics to thrive, then you need math. The same is true for poker. On the other hand, a player who has done some mathematical work to describe his poker game is only going to take his game so far. So it's not just saying that you know what your pot odds are in a spot, therefore you're able to beat the best. To properly apply math to poker, you need a solid understanding of game theory, statistics, calculus and a load of other concepts often applied to simpler situations (that can be solved) called toy games. Poker is incredibly complex, especially in Nolimit betting formats, and math can really only model solutions at this point. So while we can describe the game mathematically and solve simpler scenarios, there are still many unknowns in the game. The long and short of it is that the more specific you are with your strategy, the better your results in poker will be. The way you can be specific is with math, even if those "specifics" have to do with extrapolating from small sample size reads. It's always a LOT better than guessing or going with your gut. As a player who continually analyzes his game, I find inconsistencies with my gut instinct and the best play solved using math fairly often. Does that mean they're huge differences or that I'm usually wrong given my experience? No. But those small differences all add up and learning what they are by using math is what gives me an edge on my competition. 
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Well of course math is important but i've discovered that psychology is even more important. Why? Well, math gives you posibilities which would be the equivalent of information. However suppose you are playing a 1 vs 1 hand and both of you knows that the villain has better chances of winning the hand, but now you have to decide what kind of player is the villain, if he is a good player he wont get fooled by you and would directly take his decision of going or not by the information of maths, however if he is a normal player he definitely would be take his decision accordingly to what is happening in the table (meaning the actions involving other players) so since its you and him, you control 50% of the actions of the table, therefore you have 50% power over him. So you use your power, with continuous bets and you control the size of each bet. Anyways the point is that bluffing is an important part of the game, and it's related to psychology. To be honest for me it's far more important psychology than maths, this is a social game.

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