How to handle reverse implied odds?

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Hello there , this is my first post and I am not sure if I'm posting this question where I'm supposed to be.
My question is how do you handle reverse implied odds? Calculating them seems too complex , what I usually do is just forget the implied odds and play the hand with the odds that I am currently been given when I have a draw.
 
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Hello,

So. Lots of sites use draws as an example. I have a straight draw, my opponent has a flush draw.

He bets and now I gotta decide to call.
So, lets say you're on the turn. You both have those draws. Preflop, he was mid position, so were you. You're in there with suited connectors which is why you got a straight draw. Your opponent, for the sake of simplifying the math, will have any 2 suited cards 50% of the time. And he calls any flop bets. No matter what. So you're at the turn, and he bet so now you now there's a 1 in 8 chance that he's on a flush draw. At the turn, he'll hit his flush around 1 in 5 times. You, with your 8 out straight draw will hit your straight 1 in 5.75 times. In the 1 in 23 chance scenario that you complete the straight draw and he completes his flush, you gotta ask yourself, will you lose more than you make in the other 22 scenerios where you hit a straight and he misses his flush or both of you miss?

Also, in addition to that, remember to keep the implied odds in mind cuz you shouldn't even considering calling that bet if you can't multiply the amount you're putting into the pot to call by 5.75.

Good luck. I believe the numbers are close to accurate.
 
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Hello,

So. Lots of sites use draws as an example. I have a straight draw, my opponent has a flush draw.

He bets and now I gotta decide to call.
So, lets say you're on the turn. You both have those draws. Preflop, he was mid position, so were you. You're in there with suited connectors which is why you got a straight draw. Your opponent, for the sake of simplifying the math, will have any 2 suited cards 50% of the time. And he calls any flop bets. No matter what. So you're at the turn, and he bet so now you now there's a 1 in 8 chance that he's on a flush draw. At the turn, he'll hit his flush around 1 in 5 times. You, with your 8 out straight draw will hit your straight 1 in 5.75 times. In the 1 in 23 chance scenario that you complete the straight draw and he completes his flush, you gotta ask yourself, will you lose more than you make in the other 22 scenerios where you hit a straight and he misses his flush or both of you miss?

Also, in addition to that, remember to keep the implied odds in mind cuz you shouldn't even considering calling that bet if you can't multiply the amount you're putting into the pot to call by 5.75.

Good luck. I believe the numbers are close to accurate.

The bottom line is this: if you think you have at least one opponent on a flush draw, then drawing to a straight is negative EV unless you also have a pair or significant showdown strength.
Good luck.

-HooDooKOo
 
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Hello,

So. Lots of sites use draws as an example. I have a straight draw, my opponent has a flush draw.

He bets and now I gotta decide to call.
So, lets say you're on the turn. You both have those draws. Preflop, he was mid position, so were you. You're in there with suited connectors which is why you got a straight draw. Your opponent, for the sake of simplifying the math, will have any 2 suited cards 50% of the time. And he calls any flop bets. No matter what. So you're at the turn, and he bet so now you now there's a 1 in 8 chance that he's on a flush draw. At the turn, he'll hit his flush around 1 in 5 times. You, with your 8 out straight draw will hit your straight 1 in 5.75 times. In the 1 in 23 chance scenario that you complete the straight draw and he completes his flush, you gotta ask yourself, will you lose more than you make in the other 22 scenerios where you hit a straight and he misses his flush or both of you miss?

Also, in addition to that, remember to keep the implied odds in mind cuz you shouldn't even considering calling that bet if you can't multiply the amount you're putting into the pot to call by 5.75.

Good luck. I believe the numbers are close to accurate.

Hey ,
How did you get the nunmer 23 , in the "1 in 23 chance" ? Also , I think u have the odds wrong , it should be 1 in 4 and 1 in 4.75 .
 
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Flush draw getting completed with 1 more card should be 46/9 which is 5.1
Straight draw getting completed with 1 more card is 46/8 and 5.75

1 in 23 was determined because there's 2 cards which will complete both draws. 46/2.

So with 2 cards completing both draws, 7 completing only his, and 6 completing only yours, there's a 31/46 chance of nothing being hit on the river :p
 
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Flush draw getting completed with 1 more card should be 46/9 which is 5.1
Straight draw getting completed with 1 more card is 46/8 and 5.75

1 in 23 was determined because there's 2 cards which will complete both draws. 46/2.

So with 2 cards completing both draws, 7 completing only his, and 6 completing only yours, there's a 31/46 chance of nothing being hit on the river :p

ahh yeah , i was thinking of odds :) Thanks for the reply
 
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