How do you play against a calling station?

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Hello,
When playing at micro-stakes, I have a problem with the players that seems to call any bet, either pre- flop or after. Any advice?
 
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Sure. When you get to know these players only bet when you have a good hand that is less likely to be beaten.
bluffing those players becomes extremely difficult. Good thing against such player is atleast he is willing to call your good hands, so if you miss the flop and have no draws - fold. Use your knowledge as an advantage. Pick up the strong hands you want to get called and you should have no problems.
 
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In before someone mention "Value Town" :D

As noobie said, bet your good hands, play straightforward, dont try any fancy moves, bet bet bet when you have a hand, check/fold when you don't...

The things get little more complicated than that, real book example of calling stations are not that often, most of the opponents will be loose passive who sometime will fold or raise so pay attention on how much and when they will call and bet as much at they will call, you want them to call with weaker hand not to fold, that is the meaning of value bet...
 
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I simply wait for the right hand at the right spot. And to make my hand valuable I make value bets, like 70% of the pot size when I hit something. Betting less than that will make you loose money long term with calling stations. Other thing, If you have a nice draw, flush draw or a open ended straight making a nice move like a huge re-raise or even all in it´s a really good option. Will depend of you and if you like to gamble.
 
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when they limp, it´s almost sure they are going to pay any raise so attack them with monster hands or when hit the flop, otherwise check because if you feel the calling is ahead then don´t give him chips for free, so patience is the key
 
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My advice is never try and bluff a calling station.

I think its important we individualise the specific traits of a calling station and still try discover what hands they are will to call big bets with and whether they adjust a calling range based on their position
 
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Its most difficult type of player to beat... So if u get a set and better attack em with everything you got... And as general rule never bluff in microstakes its so cheap for people to call and see a hand..

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Another idea might be to play bigger stakes
 
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Its most difficult type of player to beat... So if u get a set and better attack em with everything you got... And as general rule never bluff in microstakes its so cheap for people to call and see a hand..

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I have to disagree with you magicius, calling stations are the easiest players to take money from you just have to realize that poker is about winning as much money as possible not winning as much pots as possible... Just good old tag works great... Now as i already said, absolute no brain calling stations are really rare, everyone know where is the fold button, your job is to find a guy who is a station and pay attention how big bets he is willing to call with what hands, and bet the biggest possible that he will call yet not big enough to fold him, doing so remember, big hand big pot, weak hand small pot, control the pot size, at least with stations it is easy to control the pot size, and you will play profitable with them dont spew money on mediocre hands they might be weak players but they do have a hand sometime, otherwise they would quit playing
 
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Its most difficult type of player to beat... So if u get a set and better attack em with everything you got... And as general rule never bluff in microstakes its so cheap for people to call and see a hand..

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Yes, thats totally wrong. There are rarely people that call on every bet or every raise you do. You just need to find out how much exactly is he willing to pay , because that knowledge is power. Once you find out that information about a particular player, bluffing him becomes easier, and you will also know if you have a hand by how much you need to raise him on the flop and the turn, so that he pays. On the river it becomes easier, because he has put enough money in the pot and will be more likely to make bad calls. But just because he is a calling station doesnt mean that he cant get a better hand than you do once you decide to call him. Sometimes you will get beaten, sometimes not. He can call you with 25o when you hold AK and still beat you, you cant be sure what opening range he has, so unless you actually have a hand, not just an overcard - value bets.
 
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Well thats just i felt when playing with them,its hard to read what they have... Will they make their str8 with 75o vs your kk,with nits its much more easier if they fight back they often have a good hand..

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Hello,
When playing at micro-stakes, I have a problem with the players that seems to call any bet, either pre- flop or after. Any advice?

Wait for good hands and value bet over multiple streets, don't bluff them.

Another idea might be to play bigger stakes

Since OP doesn't know how to play a calling station playing higher stakes would be a bad idea.
 
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Thank you all! I will try my new wisdom on the tables... ;-)
 
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You're welcome. Post some results later, if you see any calling stations, so we could see how far our advices got you. Good luck.
 
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Play tight and make them pay by isolating and 3 betting preflop with a good hand. Bet heavy when you get them even if it means 10bb or more and check/raise when OOP. Be agressive and look for more than top pair, if you're finding that top pair isn't paying off watch the flop and bet heavy with sets and bigger hands while checking with draws.
 
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I think you pretty much have your answer already, but just to add my voice to the chorus; Tighten up your own range, but when you do hold or hit a decent hand play it even more aggressively for maximum value. Extra tight, extra aggressive and hopefully extra profit!

As for moving up to higher stakes, I would strongly advise against this, as you still get a full spectrum of players from super nits to ridiculously loose AnyTwoCarders & of course the friendly neighbourhood calling stations.

If you feel you have a leak, fix it in the shallow water, before heading out to sea. This should minimise any losses, then when you plug your leaks and start beating micro stakes consistantly you can start to think about moving up.
 
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Some of you thinks that calling stations are not that much, so open account at Full Flush Poker and see how many calling stations we have at microstakes :D I played there for a couple of hours with money earned from one of their freerols and i lost them only because in 2 hours session i get only couple of times AQ and 3 times middle pairs :D Most of the hands that i could win was if i was playing hands like 92 or 34off .
 
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Calling stations can be hard because they make you play ABC poker and take away fold equity. Especially if they sit on your left. This can make a very frustrating affair if you don't hit any cards
 
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If you have the goods, value bet. Bet an amount where pot odds will not be favorable for him-go for the maximum since we know he will not fold.

If we dont have the goods, we'll just check. Bluffing him is just like putting fuel to the fire.
 
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Very straight forward. Just get value out of strong hands and fold your weak. Trying anything fancy is pointless.
 
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play tight versus stations.....don't do anything crazy....play standard ABC poker againist them...and when ya have a strong hand..value bet the heck outta them and get paid off...Never bluff a station unless your sure they have total air
 
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play tight versus stations.....don't do anything crazy....play standard ABC poker againist them...and when ya have a strong hand..value bet the heck outta them and get paid off...Never bluff a station unless your sure they have total air

This what I do pretty much. I wait into I have a strong pair or two pair+ and then bet the flop and then bet the turn and then see if things go scary or not and then bet the river.

I think this is a good example of calling station players. I got a bit scared on the turn wondering what they would just call with and then I saw they were calling station. I guess the BB is more of a flush draw chaser maybe.

Hero (Button) ($4)
SB ($4.02)
BB ($4.65)
UTG ($1.04)
MP ($4)
CO ($5.52)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A
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, A
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3 folds, Hero raises $0.12, SB calls $0.10, BB calls $0.08

Flop: ($0.36) K
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, Q
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, 2
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(3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $0.36, SB calls $0.36, BB calls $0.36

Turn: ($1.44) 7
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(3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $1.10, SB calls $1.10, BB calls $1.10

River: ($4.74) 9
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(3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks

Total pot: $4.74

Results below:
Hero had A
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, A
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(one pair, Aces).
SB had 10
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, Q
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(one pair, Queens).
BB had 10
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, 3
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(high card, King).
Outcome: Hero won $4.48
 
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This what I do pretty much. I wait into I have a strong pair or two pair+ and then bet the flop and then bet the turn and then see if things go scary or not and then bet the river.

I think this is a good example of calling station players. I got a bit scared on the turn wondering what they would just call with and then I saw they were calling station. I guess the BB is more of a flush draw chaser maybe.

Hero (Button) ($4)
SB ($4.02)
BB ($4.65)
UTG ($1.04)
MP ($4)
CO ($5.52)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A
club.gif
, A
diamond.gif

3 folds, Hero raises $0.12, SB calls $0.10, BB calls $0.08

Flop: ($0.36) K
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, Q
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, 2
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(3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $0.36, SB calls $0.36, BB calls $0.36

Turn: ($1.44) 7
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(3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $1.10, SB calls $1.10, BB calls $1.10

River: ($4.74) 9
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(3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks

Total pot: $4.74

Results below:
Hero had A
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, A
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(one pair, Aces).
SB had 10
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, Q
spade.gif
(one pair, Queens).
BB had 10
club.gif
, 3
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(high card, King).
Outcome: Hero won $4.48

On that relatively dry board I think it's safe to value bet on the river with position. And if you get raised you're likely no good.
 
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Solid advice here already. If you're to the left of the calling station, you have an advantage. Position, position, position. If they're on your right, you may be in for a fun ride. Pray for a table change or tighten up your range and play T/A with those. Good luck ;)
 
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