How do you deal with Calling Stations?

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How do you guys deal with Calling Stations aka player who just wont fold no matter what in an mtt

was playing ftp mtt final table and 4 of 6 players were crazy calling stations even when I had the best hand and raised 15xtimes the pot those crazy maniacs always kept calling me, Should I just go all in next time when Im pretty sure I got the best hand?
 
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You tighten up and value bet the crap out of them when you've got something. Figure out what their ranges are for calling down, and exploit it. Generally fold to aggression, as they likely don't bluff very often (but will try to bluff catch constantly).
 
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Be patient and value bet after value bet. If they get there nothing you can do.. Tough luck.
Thats why its better to be a spewy bad than nit bad in tournament poker. You can luckbox your way through sometimes.
 
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calling stations are the easiest players to beat. just value bet big.
 
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give them an all inclusive tour of ValueBetCity for the full price of visit

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As above tighten range and value bet. Also take notes on opponents some calling stations will call down all bets with 2nd or 3rd pair, some will check raise with top pair, others will only check raise with 2pair or better etc.

If they are as bad as you say and its a final table you probably won't be that deep so take into account stack sizes when entering a pot. It may be a case of just tightening up and getting it in if you think your ahead.
 
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Don't tighten your range. Value bet thinner.
 
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just got to bet your hands and don't consider bluffing these guys since they're calling with anything.
 
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Don't bluff them, like they said value bet them, if you really want them out All-in is probably your only option, but remember they are calling stations!
 
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pick a monster, jam
and if u hit nuts, reckless bet for value, or push for targeting his whole stack.
 
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Don't bluff, value bet when you have a piece. Jam monsters and expect your fair share of suckouts.
 
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Value bet value bet value bet. Try not to cbet as much with air. Like Baudib said, we can get away with a thinner value bet on turns and rivers and prolly get 3 streets of value from TP even. Just remember we can't bluff them. That is the only way their game works, is by us making mistakes.
 
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Those crazy mothers call my 15x raises when I've got the best hand, dam it. I don't know how to deal with those crazy mothers.
Just read that and you should have some idea what to do, I bet..
 
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I would not tighten up. I would play more hands and if I hit the flop, I would go for a BIG value. If I had a draw I would check because 90% of the time they will check back. And bluffing is NEVER an option against them! ;)
 
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Don't try any funny bizness! Raise only when you got something good! And when you got the nuts just go nuts
 
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With calling stations, be sure to overbet the pot when the flop is very wet. They will simply call you without the correct odds in order to catch a hand. When they raise you, they most likely have a monster and should fold.
 
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easy as f...:D Just dont bluff him and when you have it, just bet on every street. YOu can bet even more than normal, most of them will call potsize bet on flop or turn with gutshot or A high :D And ofcourse trapping him has no sense...
 
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Don't give up your bluffs too easily.

While widening your value bet range is pretty good universal advice vs people that call light, you should not automatically stop bluffing, here's why:

Many players that we tend to call "calling stations" are very loose preflop and initially on the postflop. The word initially is key here.

When you look at it, if you find a player that will call preflop, the flop and sometimes the turn very light, what does he get to the river with a majority of the time (especially if he CR his strong hands on the flop)? He gets there with a very weak range. And once that final card runs out on the river, many of these "calling stations" look at their hand, see it is weak, and fold to that final bet.

And what is better than a player who gets to the river with a lot of weak hands, only to fold these big pots to your bluff? I say there is no better player to bluff than that.

So don't give up on bluffing these players right away, many players call preflop light, even the flop and sometimes the turn light. But very few players are capable of calling every street truly light. Follow through on your bluffs vs some of these guys and you may just find the ultimate key to destroying these guys.
 
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i like calling stations i just wait when i see those lovely blinds change in a different collor that i like to see :rolleyes:....and if i am lucky i get right on my big blind aces or kings or AK its like being rewarded for your patience and then because you where so tight playing the stations even 3 bet or 5 bet you that is what i like and then i say to myself may the flop be whit you lol ....and shove all the chips i have it's then win or lose that is the moment for me and after that they are just like litle chikkens folding or chekkin or going all in whit their last chips:D
 
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Ryan, while I agree that you shouldn't give up your bluffs too easily, you should definitely limit them unless you are very good at hand reading and aware of the station's tendencies with certain hand ranges on certain boards. You have to be aware of these factors to be 3 barrel bluffing profitably. Its a high risk high reward move. In my experience, if the station calls 2 streets with a marginal made hand, they generally tend to call the 3rd bet as well, despite how often they will be destroyed in that spot. Stubborn creatures they are. I feel its less risky to just value bet bet bet than to 3 barrel bluff since all they do is call and they just check call value hands as well. Those who never give up their draws will pretty much snap all in river when they hit.

The way I look at it, their biggest leak is from call call call with rags, so just exploit it by value bet bet bet, only when they learn and stop calling so much I will start throwing in bluffs a lot more. Also bet like pot size on draw heavy boards if they like to chase. They will chase with crappy pot odds. I don't see a reason to risk so many chips in bluffing them when they are going to give their chips to me willingly as soon as the opportunity comes. 3 barreling is expensive and often will leave the stack crippled unless its a deep stack tournament. Usually there are also other fish at the table so no need to go balls deep trying to 3 barrel bluff a station. Bluff the weak and get value from the crazy. :D
 
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I guess further discussion would need some specific examples.

But I do play heads up mostly, and when I refer to calling stations, it is guys that rarely fold a flop and often call a turn. That leaves them too weak on the river to call a bet.

I can't imagine it being so different in a tournament, if a guy is calling with gutshots and misses the river, is he calling your river bet? If the guy is calling with two high cards, is he calling the river when he misses?

Those are the types of hands that calling stations get to the river with, and they just can't hold up to a lot of pressure. They don't call because they think they are best or because they don't want to lose chips, they call for the hopes of winning big (like many bad players do). Once those hopes are gone, you can successfully push them out of the hand I find.

Now, if we're just talking about players that call with bottom pair and draws, that can be a different story, but still, I would encourage even the newest player to start learning about board textures and recognizing when and where you have a better chance of pushing a player off of a draw.

Good players need to learn to bluff quickly, it's not that advanced, and if you aren't caught bluffing very often you are unlikely to be bluffing enough. It's just scarier to some to get caught bluffing, but often things like missing a value bet or calling an extra street with a weak draw are far larger mistakes than bluffing a bit too often is. A lot of disciplined new players just tend to get too passive rather than too aggressive I think.
 
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Definitely tighten up and wait for monster hands to take them down :)

Definitely do not loosen up with these maniacs as they will call with air and possibly get the suck out

Patience is the key

GL :)
 
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Definitely tighten up and wait for monster hands to take them down :)

Definitely do not loosen up with these maniacs as they will call with air and possibly get the suck out

Patience is the key

GL :)

Why do we need monsters to take down bad players? That is completely opposite of the truth.
 
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Whatever you do, no matter how much you want to, DON'T BLUFF!!

Pick your spots and go to value town when you have a hand
 
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when u dont have it just check fold, when u have it dont bet small, bet large amounts like 80% of the pot, eventually he will pay u off
 
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