Originally Posted by pokerlovesme
I played like a donk and sucked out on turn by catching my overcards and won. Person who got eliminated by me called me a donk while other people said I had good outs and it was worth it to call. It was simple $2 sng.
I had around 1300 chips. My opponent had 800 chips. I had 89 suited. My opponent had 7 K suited. Flop came out 2 6 7 rainbow(all different suits). While I considered 5s and 10s as outs, which is 8 outs, some people said, i had 8 and 9s too, which is another 6 outs, therefore 14 outs. Can you really consider overcards as outs too? Of course, every situation is different but in general, I'm sure I can get an answer for this. Reason why I dont' consider overcards as outs is because if my opponent flopped a set or two pairs, then I'm at straight draw at best.
How do people consider outs?
You have to consider them because, as you noted, you have 8 cards (outs) in the deck that will make your straight. But, and it's a big but, the 8's (3) and 9's (3) have to be factored in because runner 8's would give you trips, as would runner 9's, 89 would give you the top two pairs and an 8 or a 9, assuming no card higher than the 9 shows on the turn, would still give you top or second pair. Rough percentage at the flop is total outs times 4, which in this case would be 56% (4 X 14), meaning that as long as you were getting a minimum of 2:1 for your money your bet was good. Figured your way, you would be at 32% (4 X 8), meaning you would need at least 3:1 to make the bet worthwhile. The turn requires a recalculation, but since you didn't give that information, I can't tell you what your rough odds
were. Rule of thumb on the turn is total outs times 2.
I don't know if that makes it any clearer, but that's the way you need to calculate it.