How to determine that a player is bluffing

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Maybe someone else has an experience to share with everyone
 
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Do you mean live or online tells? I've only ever played live, but the thing is that tells rely on their table image (agg, tight). But for General tells: if you noticed that a draw missed on the river and someone observers huge it's usually a bluff. Also when someone raises pre and bets big on the flop on a dry board mostly means they have 2 over cards. But be careful: overbets mean that they either have a monster or junk. You just have to decide based on their table image. Also, have a look at how long it takes for them to make their bet,
Pretty important
 
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In online just a different range of hands depending on the position ( for example button open min raise, you call with KT , flop A K 2 / villain cbet, not so often he will have A or K , so you need call ) and bet size ( example if villain bet very small or very much ) More impossible to determine bluff or not,,,
 
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Such a player is likely to be
bluffing in late position
because there you can play a
wide range of hands, a player
will likely make too big or too
small bets, he can use C-bet, a player can play very
agresiv
 
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Smaller pair are tough to play especially out of position.
You have to build a player profile on your opponent.
Is he loose aggressive, is he loose passive, a nit bitch, a rock, tight aggressive, tight passive, a beginner, a novice, etc etc. Nit bitches, they don't bluff a lot. Loose aggressive, have to go on board texture, position etc. Just takes experience. Passive players rarely take the bet bet bet line.
give you an example
Last night in a $2 tournament on the final table bubble.
I've got 66 on the button. A fair tight aggressive player raises preflop 2.5x. We both have more than 120bbs. Flop comes out Jxx rainbow. Now, I put him on AK preflop. he fires a cbet on the flop. I call. turn is another brick. He continues and fires a 3/4 pot size bet. I become worried but it seems strange that he did not set himself up for a pot size river shove. River comes out and it's a Q. He could have AQ KQ QJ QT. There are lots of hands with jacks and queens in it. He could also have AK Ax hands that paired and i'm beat. He ships it relatively quickly. So after going into the tank, I just decided to hero him. I just said show it to me buddy. I didn't like the call but, already about 40% of my stack in the middle. He showed up with AK.
Sick hero call. I kept hearing in my head doyle brunson, antonio estafandari, and jcarver saying "it's hard to make a pair"
I did close my eyes after getting the mouse over the call button and just said, ok, let me see your hand.
I would've looked like a fool if he had rivered a set a queens.
Generally, I like to peel a flop just to see what happens.
Sometimes you can min raise and fold to a shove
Everything is dependent on player, position, hand range.
Like Tony says "You've got haaart son. You have to have committment"
and my favorite "I'm qualifed, I have a pear"
lol
 
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To determine that a player is bluffing you must have best cards from him and win him so you understand that he was bluffing i do not know any other way or be a master hacker and she hes cards !
 
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There is one thing that I notice that is about 1/2 of the time a player is bluffing. A player that raises every hand pre-flop and bets or raises the pot every hand is doing a lot of bluffing. No player can have a good hand every time. But still like has already been said, you have to decided which hands to call. And by going over top of him you will get a fold. Or just call to see, and if he is bluffing he will check, and that's opens it up for you to take the pot. I've had these to happen to me when I'm bluffing and I've used them myself when I think a player is bluffing. I can't explain like a lot of these guys, but hope you can understand where I'm coming from.
 
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He makes too small or huge bets, bets too often, bets automatically without taking into consideration cards on a board, reraises too often. You have watch carefully for a guy's actions and you'll notice something suspicious and if this "something suspicious" happens too often then you know he's bluffing.
 
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What action knowing that the player is bluffing
 
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The board has to make sense IMO. Someone tried to bluff me by checking the flop, checking the turn and then betting the river when an Ace appeared.

I called with King high and won the pot. If they would have bet on the flop & turn I probably would have fold, but for them to check the flop & turn and then expect me to fold to the magical Ace when they bet out was crazy IMO.

Also their bet looked like a scared / thin value bet not a "pay me off" bet.
 
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Well depending on how they play and you play, you can determine if they are bluffing (or semi bluffing) and get them off a hand.

If you have someone that always raises and fires away on the flop, chances are they aren't hitting every flop.

If you have earned a tight image, go ahead and raise him.

More often than not they will fold and you will take it down.
 
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I feel it is easier to determine if a player is bluffing in a live game than in an online game.There are lot of ways to know if a player is bluffing- tells,betting pattern,stack size(especially in a tournament),position,player profile,hand range etc
 
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Getting bluffed is part of the game. If you are un-bluffable you will hemorrhage money. NO HERO CALLS - EVER! That said, if you suspect you are being bluffed, consider the following:

Does the bet make sense FOR THIIS PLAYER, at this time?
Is he giving mixed signals? If so, why? (especially live)
How does this player bet value hands?

If the above indicates a possible bluff; is he bluffing in this situation often enough to make calling profitable? Is raising (re-bluffing) better?
 
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A player who wants to bluff, he will do it at the last stage before opening, generally defined human onlain poker difficult, much easier to live tournaments
 
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I use an accumulation of hud stats, table position, and board texture. Understanding a mix of villians VPIP, aggresion, showdowns, and won at showdowns is a good start. I also have riverbet and riverfold2bet to help determine times to bluff, times to catch a bluff, and times to lay down a marginal hand. But even without hud if you pay attention to your villians it becomes fairly easy to determine if they are bluffing or not. (This is why good TAG's balance their ranges). Big thing to ask yourself is "does that bet there make sense? if so how? What is he representing?" Big thing is player image of course to. Is he a maniac, LAG, LP, TAG, TP or what? The better you get at reading them the better you'll be at not only hero calls but an ability to make tough laydowns and of course successfully bluffing them. :)
 
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Sometimes I wonder if someone would hero call if I shoved my whole stack. I had a JJJxx boat and someone had King high flush on river (4 suited cards on board). I didn't know if they would pay me their whole stack so I just bet a little bit over the pot to make it look like a bluff (50 BB bet on river LOL)

They didn't raise me, they just called the bet. End result was them losing an additional 50 BBs for trying to hero call my "bluff".
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My betting is a bit weird though. I check top pair a lot and it confuses some players at my table. They will have a pocket pair and call down my river bet because I checked top pair on either the flop or turn. So they assume that I am trying to bluff them off the pot and they snap call my river bet. :D
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I noticed though that plenty of the micro cash game players on Carbon don't bluff hard though. If they are betting hard or raising a high amount, they probably have a monster hand (sets, straights, two pair overpair (QQ, KK, AA etc.) )
 
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Best sure way to find out if he is bluffing, is to call him and make him turn his cards over :)

Bluffing is usually done very infrequently by most players, so this usually means there are a lot of legitimate raises (etc) as well as the occassional bluff. Don't get caught thinking that if you catch him bluffing once, he will be bluffing the next time. In fact, many people like to get caught bluffing, so they get called when they do have something.
 
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As long as you don't decide you don't know. But it can be very expensive.
 
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bluffing?

How do you determine that your opponent is bluffing?
 
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How do you determine that your opponent is bluffing?

Usually statistics for the player helps...

Still possible to pay attention to size of bets. It is necessary to observe the opponents and notice what size they do raise with strong hands, what size to bluff..
 
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And i am guided by the way... sometimes bet betting with great fury... there have two options or pocket or lantern... but comig observing how this play that player could have the solution to these options.
 
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In live games it's easier, you can try to talk to him, watch cues, etc. In online game you have to check the "history" he is trying to sell you. Check if it makes sense when he raised, check if that would make sense in his range, check bet sizing and then you might have a clue if he is bluffing or if he has it. It is also very important to analyse your own hand at this moment, "what my hand is beating?" in some times, even if you know for a fact that he is bluffing, you might have the worst hand. I have been there, done that. Lol
 
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You can also tell by watching their bet sizing, how many hands are they playing, how often are they raising/re-raising and etc.
 
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It always depends on the situation. In general, the bluffs who limps along, then raise the river is very high.
 
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