How to becoming a sit and go grinder?

hello what Tips can you give me to become a sit and go grinder ..i want to start playing 3.50 in poker stars ..what bankroll do i need .how many table i need to play everyday to have a good feeling how think going ... Thank you everyone
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Hi willis;

To prevent your bankroll from tilt, the best is to get 50 times your buy in for sit and go : 50*3.5 = 175$, may be playing 12 to 15 sit and go is the best average for the begin, you can move up after to play 20 to 30 per day or more when you will be able to prevent the big downswing.

can be up to 100* the games you are playing

what SNGs Regular turbo Hyper Turbo 9 man 45 man 180 man etc
Hyper Turbos (at least x100) where the varance can be massive you need the biggest bankroll and standard 9 man the lowest bankroll (x50)

zarzar78 said:

Hi willis;

To prevent your bankroll from tilt, the best is to get 50 times your buy in for sit and go : 50*3.5 = 175$, may be playing 12 to 15 sit and go is the best average for the begin, you can move up after to play 20 to 30 per day or more when you will be able to prevent the big downswing.

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rhombus said:

can be up to 100* the games you are playing

what SNGs Regular turbo Hyper Turbo 9 man 45 man 180 man etc
Hyper Turbos (at least x100) where the varance can be massive you need the biggest bankroll and standard 9 man the lowest bankroll (x50)

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guys thanks for your invaluable input on the BRM part of the question by OP. could any members please throw light on the second half of the OP's question? Thank you. :?

thank you all for responding to the Threads

could any members please throw light on the second half of the OP's question?

Supposing OP is not experienced, just start with 1 table.
After you get a feel for the game you can add another table and go on like that till you reach the number of tables you're most comfortable with.

Tho, if you're a losing player at one table, you'll lose even more when multitabling.

10058765 said:

could any members please throw light on the second half of the OP's question?

Supposing OP is not experienced, just start with 1 table.
After you get a feel for the game you can add another table and go on like that till you reach the number of tables you're most comfortable with.

Tho, if you're a losing player at one table, you'll lose even more when multitabling.

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This is not always the case. I know people who play like crap when playing one table. He's comfortable and at least break even when he's playing 5-12 tables at a time.
I find it weird, but he says he gets bored when he only have one table open. I think that's the case for many players, as they want to be in action and not to wait.
If they can avoid tilting sessions like this, and at least break even in every session, then I think they should continue this kind of play.

I would suggest BR = 100 x 3.5 = $350 Bankroll at the very least.
That would be safe, since it will cope with variance, downswings, tilt, etc. You can recover from those because you have sufficient BR.

If however you can reload if lost initial BR, then don't follow my suggestion above.

If you want to multi-table then I would say start with 2 tables if you feel like you are comfortable try adding another, then another until you are at your peak.
I think The BRM part was covered thoroughly.

you should have 350$ on your banroll, it makes 100 buy ins!

Try to play tight agressive!
Dont put you on hard situations where you can lose chips easily!
If some raise take 1/3 of your chips just go all-in!
Push the villains with same stack of you!
Dont push low stack cause they can put you on hard situations, so if you raise a low stack you need to be prepared to call if they go all in, other wise dont do raise!
Try to take advantages in the bubble and if you are on prizes be a little loose/agressive because if you are tight you will lose a lot of blinds!

Study and play and please be counsciouse about limit of buy-ins I hope it helps you

what is your ROI on 3.5 sit n go
think if under 5% ,you need about twice bankroll than 15% ROI
and how much profit you want to reach each money

let's say 5% ROI
you may need about 90-150 buyin
and
100 USD per months
based on ROI 5% for 3.5 buyin
average game you get 5%*3.5=17 cents
so each month you need to play 100USD/0.17 USD per game= about 500+ games
therefore on 30 days , you need to play about 17 games per day.

How many sng at a particular level do you need to play before you can get a feel for how well you are doing at that level? (hope OP doesn't mind me asking that in their thread. I think it's fairly relevant).

RichL said:

How many sng at a particular level do you need to play before you can get a feel for how well you are doing at that level? (hope OP doesn't mind me asking that in their thread. I think it's fairly relevant).

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Think it was in essence part of their initial op question, but at least it stated clearer with your asking rich.

IMO, 1k stt's will give you a decent idea of your winrate (ROI) for a level and of course more is better, 3-4k would certainly be a pretty clear true ROI I would think as its plenty to ride out swings......sometimes swings on stt's can last for a while as with any variant of poker so the larger the sample the better idea of a true ROI for a specific level.

Regarding moving up I think I would and am more inclined to let my BRM dictate when I move up, unless having some struggles. I had previously worked my way to the 15$ games following a 100bi brm however hit a massive downswing after only being there for a week or so and having to drop back to the 7$ games where the swing continued and this killed my motivation a little. I have just recently started to gear back towards stt's again and currently mix the 1.50 and 3.50 games on a mass multitabling scale (16) to get in some volume, rebuild the br and regain some confidence before I drop the 1.5 games and start to mix the 3.50 and 7$ games. Doing this I can get more volume and in essence can view my games as an avg bi for brm if I wanted to whereby for example instead of playing strickly 7$ games once I have 700$ i can do an even mix of 3.5 and 7$ games when I have 525$ (obv be observent to recognize if getting crushed in the higher cost games).

the quicker the blinds the higher the variance, and therefore the larger sample needed to get a clear vision of your winrate as swings can be harder and for higher volume and therefore the more strict you should be with brm. I use 100bi for the turbo games, I would recommend at least 200+ for hyper turbos and you could do 50-75 possible with regular speeds.....however I would also indicate this all should depend on the # of tables you are running especially before you have an idea of your winrate because more tables is more bi's in play and potential for a hard felt swing if the set doesn't go well.

Think iv gone on enough here lol.

i'd say you want at the very least 50 buy ins for sng's, so if you say you want to play 3.50s do the math errrrrr.. :S lol that's around $175 you should be starting out at, play as many tables as you are comfortable playing and don't feel discouraged to start out slow and add more tables and generally play more as you progress, i'd say a fair sample size would be anywhere between 500-1000games and you could generally see if you are making a return on your investment.

BluffMeAllIn said:

Think iv gone on enough here lol.

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All good stuff though thanks. I've recently started playing the $0.50 45man SnG on PS. Only played 113 so far. Started off okay but a long way to go.

Must be nice to even be able to consider grinding sit n goes, in the USA they have dried up on many poker sites. Many friends I have that grinded both small and large SNGs have started to give up on the prospect.

I have a friend who started playing sng and he went pretty good for now. He said that playing safe early and agressive late (when have 1 or 2 more players left) is the best way to win a sng. It seems early when blinds are low you can keep folding on hands you dont like to play(or dont feel like this can be the winning hand) and let your opponents destroy themselves. Like this you can easy see everyone of your opponents play style which can help you in future hands.

Staneff said:

I have a friend who started playing sng and he went pretty good for now. He said that playing safe early and agressive late (when have 1 or 2 more players left) is the best way to win a sng. It seems early when blinds are low you can keep folding on hands you dont like to play(or dont feel like this can be the winning hand) and let your opponents destroy themselves. Like this you can easy see everyone of your opponents play style which can help you in future hands.

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perfect view, that's the point!