how to beat the gamblers rush?

Although i did loose some money lately its mainly because i played high stakes with a br that was either 1 or 2 buy ins for the table.

I have 2 problems, the first one is that if i have a good BR and play small tables i get bored as the profit from these is really slow and i get the gamblers rush and start playing recklessly and the second one is that i play high stakes with small br and get bad beats

How do i beat the gamblers rush?

Also is it worth depositing a large amount of money and playing higher stakes properly? as i've done it some time ago and i have managed to concentrate 100% of the time on high stakes whereas the small stakes get me bored.

Bored of grinding 2nl already?

Only deposit a lot if you can beat the higher games. What happened last time you played high-stakes? Were you winning over a decent sample?

yeah bored already last time i played i had some profit until i moved up with a br that was too small and lost due to a bad beat

What does 'had some profit' mean though lol? I asked if you had beaten over a decent sample. If you haven't beaten high stakes or medium stakes (what level are we talking here?) before, I'm afraid you will probably get crushed.

ive played the $3/$6 cash games for a month making between 50-100$ a day for just under a month (that was nearly a year ago)

How do i know i am good at a certain stake and i can move up? im not patient enough to play on for example 25NL to build a bankroll slowly as usually u most likely will meet a fish that will ruin your game by raising with a rubbish hand.

Roughly how many hands should you play on a certain stake before you can check if you are a good/bad and can move up?

RSdavid46 said:

How do i know i am good at a certain stake and i can move up? im not patient enough to play on for example 25NL to build a bankroll slowly as usually u most likely will meet a fish that will ruin your game by raising with a rubbish hand.

Roughly how many hands should you play on a certain stake before you can check if you are a good/bad and can move up?

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lol at this thought process yet you're playing 600nl..

but you're asking questions so I won't hate too much.

about 100k hands I think is the standard for this? and you need to be beating it for a decent amount like 3BB+/100 probably more before you move up really.

also, BRM. 30+BI, if you're rolled then consider moving up, makes life easier.

also making $100 a day at 600nl doesn't sound very good. 600nl players are really good, and if you dont have experience like beating lower stakes over a big sample i'd bet my money that you are nowhere near good enough to beat 600nl, not being a dick just the games are really really hard.

Infact reading that you dont wanna play against fish who will raise with anything and ruin your game i can 100% say you're not ready to play anywhere near 600nl. I wouldn't play anything above 25nl until you learn the basics, i.e. fish are where you make your money in poker. Why not try playing 10 or 25nl and if you're beating it over 50k hands or so try the limit above until you stop winning.

i know im not a pro and i shouldn't be playing such high stakes but i just couldn't help it.

What im planning to do soon is deposit $500 and play the 25NL (500 will be 20 buy-ins for the 25NL)

I will then withdraw anything i earn until i withdraw $500 and then i'll probably not go into tilt as i won't have anything to lose (not saying i will be playing any differently but ill just not be going into tilt so easily)

After i withdraw the $500 and have $500 left as my BR i will continue the 25NL and move up once i have 20BI for the next level (might make it 30BI if i see that im playing well)

I dont know if im a good poker player or if i was just lucky a couple of times. I would want to earn some decent money from playing poker in the future but i dont like to read books in order to gain some information. Are there any online guides to cash games etc?

Also, is my plan good? to start at 25NL as people in lower stakes dont care about the money as loosing 5$ isn't really a big loss but loosing 20-30$ in the 25NL can get you really angry so i assume more intelligent people play there.

Don't even think about moving up until you have WON enough at one level, to properly bankroll the next level. Play with money won.

From you posts ITT, you talk like a disaster waiting to happen.

OK, if you are filthy rich, but that doesn't sound like it is the case. You are looking for a short cut. Do you really feel that lucky????

you shouldn't think so much about winning money but only about improving your game if you do that you will start winning money eventually

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yeah bored already last time i played i had some profit until i moved up with a br that was too small and lost due to a bad beat

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Ok, I don't quite know what to make of this. You're saying a single bad beat wrecked your BR? Ummmm....if that's true, you're playing way, way, WAY under-rolled for the stakes you are/were playing at. At the end of the day, I think you have to decide if you're going to play disciplined poker ( and by that I mean within your BR ), or if you are going to continue to play under-rolled for the stakes you'd like to play.

It really comes down to WHY are you playing. Are you doing it for entertainment purposes, and can afford the losses? If so then play whatever you like or can afford. If you are trying to play a bit more seriously, though, and would like to be a long-term winner at the game you have to learn to either play within your BR, or have a poker BR that is easily replaced when the inevitable downswings/bad beats/ bad plays happen.

Okay, well the games are the easiest at 2nl, and they get harder every level you go up.

20bi's for a level should be the minimum, i'd start at 10nl if i were you personally but if you dont mind potentially losing $500 then 25nl is fine. It's not uncommon to lose like 10bi's in a short amount of time at cash or not uncommon to win 10bi's really quick either. Just play a lot and see how you're doing over like 50k hands. Post in here to keep us updated maybe and we can try and help you with stuff. GL

RSdavid46 said:

i have been playing online poker for around a year now and i haven't yet deposited anything. I have lost only around £300 of my spare money so im not worried about that yet.
The thing is, i have always deposited money and usually tripled it within the next hour after deposit then ..... i go on tilt and loose my whole bankroll.

I have finished in 4th place and won around $30. I have then used my whole bankroll in cash games and as usually i lost all of it...

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i dont have any particular bankroll for poker i just play in my spare time and im able to deposit £25 every week

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... with a $50 bankroll which i have now i have 200 buy ins for the 0.25 which is more than enough but its good for the begining.

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I have built up a bankroll enough to let me play in the $1/$2 games and i would like to earn $160 a day.

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RSdavid46 said:

My bankroll is actually 750$

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RSdavid46 said:

I can start off with 1k bankroll... and when i had 10$ (minimum you can buy in for NL25) i played there and thats how i built my bankroll. .....You cant get 5 bad beats in a row (lolol)

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i am currently playing NL25 with my bankroll...

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If i had 1k$ i wouldnt mind playing NL10 (10$ buy ins 100k = 100 buy ins) to stack up to a bank roll enough for me to play higher tables

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RSdavid46 said:

Ok, let me say this again and properly now. I want to build a bankroll. I have 1k right now .... i will most likely end up playing the nl200.

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RSdavid46 said:

i managed to earn a bankroll of nearly 1000$ by playing whatever i could mainly just for practice and experience but now i want to start playing more sensibly.

I withdrawed what i had and left myself with a bankroll of $300.

I want to start multitabling the NL10 and $300 = 3000 big blinds or 30 buy-ins.

later on i want to move onto the NL25

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RSdavid46 said:

I withdrawed all i had and left myself with $50 and played a bit. Currently I have a bankroll of $70 and would like to slowly increase it ....

....even if $2 is all that i can earn within a couple of hours

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RSdavid46 said:

I have a bankroll management plan (lolol)

Currently playing on 0.01/0.02 blinds trying to earn a BR of 125$ to move up to 0.02/0.05 (i have $71.40 right now)

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i got lucky a couple of times in a row in heads up and won a 500$ game (my bankroll was 504$ which i earned from previous heads up)

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RSdavid46 said:

yesterday i've decided to spare $10 out of my bankroll for heads up, started off with the 1.50$ and moved up 1 level after i won each HU game. Got to the 60$ game and luckily won when a guy went all in 1st hand with 62 off and i had j10s which got my br to over $200.

...so after 5 minutes i came back for the $200 game and unfortunately for me, ....he hit a set...

I was left with around 10$ so i decided to play the 25NL

Anyway, i lost the money in a stupid way so i decided to restrict my deposits and to learn a bit more for a couple of months.

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ive played the $3/$6 cash games for a month making between 50-100$ a day for just under a month (that was nearly a year ago)

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RSdavid46 said:

What im planning to do soon is deposit $500 and play the 25NL (500 will be 20 buy-ins for the 25NL)

I will then withdraw anything i earn until i withdraw $500

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Right.
I may be too cynical but I don't believe a single word of this and I think that you are just wasting everyone's time with thread after thread, where the starting premise is always different except for the bit about you losing stupidly (Actually that bit I do believe)

If this is really a chronology of your results and BRM thinking, then you are an even bigger idiot than any one of your dozen threads would lead one to think

lol

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Right.
I may be too cynical but I don't believe a single word of this and I think that you are just wasting everyone's time with thread after thread, where the starting premise is always different except for the bit about you losing stupidly (Actually that bit I do believe)

If this is really a chronology of your results and BRM thinking, then you are an even bigger idiot than any one of your dozen threads would lead one to think

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I'm with you. I've asked him which Pro he played at HU several times (he failed to answer). I would've asked direct for OPs SN but I knew that he wouldn't give it.

I don't believe a word. Feel free to post your SN though. You won't be the 1st member who has refused to post his SN when his ability is questioned though.

maybe some of this is not true but its mainly because i wanted to see the advice i would get from different scenarios thats why i have created so many threads with different information on any of them.

The reason for this is because i know if i would say straight away what my actual BR etc is then i wouldn't get the advice/information i really wanted.

Right now, honestly i have wasted £200 on poker and i did this by depositing £20 all the time and playing on the highest tables i could enter. I tried nl2 a couple of times but i managed to earn £6 profit after a week so i got bored.

No need for the abusive comments as i have now explained everything.

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maybe some of this is not true but its mainly because i wanted to see the advice i would get from different scenarios thats why i have created so many threads with different information on any of them.

The reason for this is because i know if i would say straight away what my actual BR etc is then i wouldn't get the advice/information i really wanted.

Right now, honestly i have wasted £200 on poker and i did this by depositing £20 all the time and playing on the highest tables i could enter. I tried nl2 a couple of times but i managed to earn £6 profit after a week so i got bored.

No need for the abusive comments as i have now explained everything.

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So, we would classify you as a recreational player with money. AKA FISH!

but that doesn't mean i can't be a better player in the future if i practice, right?

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maybe some of this is not true but its mainly because i wanted to see the advice i would get from different scenarios thats why i have created so many threads with different information on any of them.

The reason for this is because i know if i would say straight away what my actual BR etc is then i wouldn't get the advice/information i really wanted.

Right now, honestly i have wasted £200 on poker and i did this by depositing £20 all the time and playing on the highest tables i could enter. I tried nl2 a couple of times but i managed to earn £6 profit after a week so i got bored.

No need for the abusive comments as i have now explained everything.

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So.... rather than being straight with the forum and people who are willing to try to help you, you mislead everyone and shop for advice until you get whatever advice fits your pre-conceived ideas of what you should do? Doesn't sound like the most productive use of your, or our, time. BR management ideas are well-established for the most part and are easily found if you're interested. Follow them, or don't.

I am interested in BR management and i will most likely go that path.

Im sorry for wasting all of your time but i did this for one reason. In my life i haven't been on many forums but i have tried to seek some help in bodybuilding forums mainly for gym exercises plans etc. All the time what i got was "make your own plan we will then tell you if its ok" i've tried 100's of times and believe it or not, the answer was always "it's completely wrong" nothing more. I have tried so many times and never got any helpful information from a forum thats why i tried to put myself in a different scenario to gain some informaiton.

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but that doesn't mean i can't be a better player in the future if i practice, right?

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Correct.

RSdavid46 said:

I am interested in BR management and i will most likely go that path.

Im sorry for wasting all of your time but i did this for one reason. In my life i haven't been on many forums but i have tried to seek some help in bodybuilding forums mainly for gym exercises plans etc. All the time what i got was "make your own plan we will then tell you if its ok" i've tried 100's of times and believe it or not, the answer was always "it's completely wrong" nothing more. I have tried so many times and never got any helpful information from a forum thats why i tried to put myself in a different scenario to gain some informaiton.

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OK, well the best answer, like so many things in poker, is "it depends". If your bankroll for playing playing poker is easily replaced if you lose it, that gives you more flexibility as far as what levels to play. If it would be harder, or take longer to replace your BR if you lose, then you need to be more conservative with the games/stakes you play at.

There are lots of threads on here about BR management. Search for a few and give them a quick look over. Generally for cash games you want to select an amount of buy-ins to have in reserve for whatever stakes you play at. At 2nl, if you want to play with a 30 buy-in cushion, that's $60.

For tournament play and SnG's the advice is usually based on % of your BR. The numbers you'll see most often are 2-5% of your entire BR per tournament entered. Now, people can, and do, adjust these numbers up and down to suit them and their unique situation, but these are pretty common starting points.

It really comes down to why you're playing poker in the first place, and how easily you could replace your entire poker BR if you lost it all.

I am playing poker not recreationally but to make money. Although i am not making any atm because im not good enough, thats my target. (i do have a job so dont think im risking everything just to try poker)

I dont earn enough money to constantly replace my BR therefore i would find it suitable to deposit a certain amount and use BR management to increase my BR.

I thought about how much i would realistically be able to earn and how much would give me good results. Since until now for example, in a NL2 game i doubled up and on another table lost my buy in, at the end of the day i didn't make any profit nor any loss.

Do you think it's good to make 1Buy-in profit a day for the stakes you are playing? for example if i buy-in for 5$ on a NL2 table and make 5$ profit a day will that be a good idea? or in order to see if you are a good player i should play a certain amount of hands or hours a day and see how it goes?

Is there any software that i could use to track how i play? a software that could easily save my stats so that i could post some information up later on about how i play to get some help ?

Didn't read this thread closely, but, have you answered the question, why do you want to continue to spend time on an activity that bores you?