HEM:won money when saw flop

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Feels like im asking so many questions about HEM ..lol.. hope its not bothering anyone but was curious about W$WSF (won money when saw flop) and what it should generally be by a winning player.. I read somewhere that it should be around 35-40% and anything lower then your just not playing aggresive enough post-flop... I managed to stick with around 33% and wanted to know if that needed improvement..

and also I might as well stick it in..my other stats I have are wtsd%=20% , w$sd%=54%, Agg=2.59, agg%=27

what could I do to improve any of my stats to become a better player?
 
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on the FAQ articles, if says 44% is optimum and i'm at 35%. It actually says -38% and your be in -bb/100. I cbet about 65% of the time which is a good number. My problem must be that i'm narrowing my cbets too fast and its costing me. On the flip side, if u can't sure its a good spot to 2nd or 3rd barrell and ur still winning. Then perhaps you shouldn't look it up it too much.

Like i saw a mid stakes hand yesterday. A player had KJ with position and the flop was 479 and it went..check, call check, call and check to him on the river. I'd bet once on that board. The turn was a 2 and then the river was a Q. So he fired into him 3times and got him to fold the river. His thinking was he had hands like 55, 88, A7,A9, 9T, 8T etc and felt with a set or 2pair he would'nt check 3streets. So the Q on the river was a good spot to fire a 3rd time and represent a very strong holding.

Now that is how you get a W$WSF in the mid 40% range :) you'd need to have good hand reading skills and know which spots r profitable to 2nd and 3rd barrell.
 
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oh thanks! where can i read the faq article?
 
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it's in the top right corner of HEM under articles(4).
 
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somewhat depends on your stakes. at the micros, you'll have numerous players seeing the flop a lot more often, so it's reasonable that your won when saw flop % will be lower because there's just more to compete with

at 50NL and on up the ranks, you gradually start to have more raised pots that are heads up, so your wwsf % should be higher

i couldn't exactly tell you what it should be at the micros.. depends how loose and bad the play is. but at 50NL+, something like 35% wwsf is way too low and suggests that a) you're being too loose with bad hands, b) you're giving up on pots too much (not c-betting or stealing postflop as much as you should be), or some combination. 45% is usually considered a good number
 
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Feels like im asking so many questions about HEM ..lol.. hope its not bothering anyone but was curious about W$WSF (won money when saw flop) and what it should generally be by a winning player.. I read somewhere that it should be around 35-40% and anything lower then your just not playing aggresive enough post-flop... I managed to stick with around 33% and wanted to know if that needed improvement..

and also I might as well stick it in..my other stats I have are wtsd%=20% , w$sd%=54%, Agg=2.59, agg%=27

what could I do to improve any of my stats to become a better player?

wtsd% should be about 25-30 or so...your w$sd% is ok (50-55) but you are folding too many hands before sd. Either that, or your are playing too loose and are forced to fold alot of hands before sd because most of your hands are garbage. 33% is too low as you really should have at least over 40. Again, maybe you are just limping in with too much garbage so never giving yourself a chance to actually win the pot. Typically, the higher your w$wsf, the more aggressive postflop you are playing. agg of 2.59 is fine and i can't really comment on agg% because i only just transferred over to hem and am still used to the pokertracker afq, which has a completely different "norm".

Do you play full ring or 6 max? What stakes? What is your vpip/pfr (most important stats)?

Just from what you've shown there, i'd guess you probably limp too much and don't play position well/open raise enough hands. a low w$wsf combined with a low wtsd% is a pretty big leak most likely (often players with a high w$wsf will have a low wtsd% and vice versa...but both being low is a problem).

anyways post your vpip/pfr as i'm basically having to guess without seeing those. And ultimately the glaring leaks are seen from just vpip/pfr/agg
 
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wtsd% should be about 25-30 or so...your w$sd% is ok (50-55) but you are folding too many hands before sd. Either that, or your are playing too loose and are forced to fold alot of hands before sd because most of your hands are garbage. 33% is too low as you really should have at least over 40. Again, maybe you are just limping in with too much garbage so never giving yourself a chance to actually win the pot. Typically, the higher your w$wsf, the more aggressive postflop you are playing. agg of 2.59 is fine and i can't really comment on agg% because i only just transferred over to hem and am still used to the pokertracker afq, which has a completely different "norm".

Do you play full ring or 6 max? What stakes? What is your vpip/pfr (most important stats)?

Just from what you've shown there, i'd guess you probably limp too much and don't play position well/open raise enough hands. a low w$wsf combined with a low wtsd% is a pretty big leak most likely (often players with a high w$wsf will have a low wtsd% and vice versa...but both being low is a problem).

anyways post your vpip/pfr as i'm basically having to guess without seeing those. And ultimately the glaring leaks are seen from just vpip/pfr/agg


I play at the micro stakes..5nl - 10nlish ..

my vpip / prflp is avg. around 18/10ish ..im working on my prflp more but usually when I get like 4 limpers in front of me i like to follow with a limp with my smaller pocket pairs ..early position im raising the good hands and folding most cards..middle and late position if no one entered or just a few limpers I would gennerally raise with suited connectors + ..I geuss its just im not as aggresive post-flop when there is many people in the pot
 
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yea 18/10 is ok for micro stakes. maybe try raising more pf to isolate, so you don't have a 3 way pot when you have a hand like aq etc.
 
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