Thanks for the reply.
TBH the exact hand isnt of any importance.
OK we'll say KQo if thats makes it clearer
on a board of T92 rainbow
But if you have 2 high overcards and an open ended straight draw you actually have a lot more 5 outs
Personally I dont think you do have more than about 5 outs here.. I did say that I was discounting some outs.
a J on the turn/river would make me a straight, but not the nut straight.
The over cards could pair but they also help others to make staights.
Therefore I gave 4 outs for the J but discounted the overcards to 1/2 out each. Giving me 5 outs. I think its a mistake to value them as full outs as how would you react to a board like that if you did pair the queen and got raised serverely on the turn? Would you not figure a staight as a posibility?
Therefore It is certainly worth continuing as long as the price is cheap.
So 5 outs!!! but as I said before the hand and counting of odds is not really of any importance to the question.
Do I even look at pot odds before placing a standard C-Bet of 1/2 - 3/4 pot?
or do I only take into account pot odds once that has been reraised?
Im now thinking its the latter but would like confirmation of this from the group.
I understand that if I were to bet small on weak hands and big on strong ones i'd be telling others what I have. That wasnt really where I was going with looking at pot odds compared to outs prior to the C-bet
I was thinking that maybe a c-bet should only be made as long as the hand had reasonable chances of developing if the c-bet were called. The c-bet size would not reflect outs but simply a hand with say 2 outs only would be checked then folded and not c-betted. A hand with say 5 outs+ would be c-betted. Now im unsure this is true.
Does this make my question a bit clearer?