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Ok first off hello all I'm new to this forum and this is also my first post so take it easy :)
Ok so I've been playing poker lately and I've been struggling to make profit basically...I've played for a few years now and have been a losing player.
I had a break from poker and now I'm trying to get back into it but properly this time. I started with a $100 bankroll and now I'm down to $40, I played out of my BR so I guess I only have myself to blame,
What I'm asking for now is help with starting at the bottom, I've been playing the $2NL 6 tables and now I'm down to $32 lol!
Should I even be multitabling with such a low bankroll.. I only do it to stop me getting bored of playing one table but I can't seem to beat these stakes!
Before anyone asks I am not a new player I actually believe I have much more experience in poker than the guys I play against at them limits but yet I still can't come out ahead.
Just need some basic starter advice since I've never really played the low limits I've always took risks and gone broke so hopefully not anymore.
Any help???
 
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Firstly, if you're struggling to beat the limit you're at, then playing more than 1 table isn't the answer. You say you get bored, but you need to watch the game and take it all in.

If you post some hands it will help us determine what the problems and leaks you have in the game.
 
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this is my basic 2NL strategy taken from here: https://www.cardschat.com/forum/pok...ins-46/paying-bills-6max-2nl-winnings-211723/

as for those of you who want tips, heres my general gameplan.
UTG: 99+, AJo+, ATs+, KQs, *77-88, Ato
MP: 99+, ATo+, ATs+, KQs+, *77-88, QJs-KJs
CO: 66+, ATo+, A8s+, suited broadway, KQo, *KTo-KJo, QJo
Btn: CO range, + all PP, all sc's 67+, all one gappers 68+ *any two if blinds f2steal>80%
SB: 66+, ATo+, A9s+, QJs/o+, *any two if BB f2steal>70%
BB: purely dependent on who raised. UTG range basically vs anyone other than Btn, SB. Btn range vs anyone else.

*play if table is passive. i tend to go by whether the people left to act have a 3b stat of less than 8%=passive.

obv this is super broad and changes on table dynamic but its a solid guidline to follow when 12-24 tabling

never call 3bs unless ESS makes sense to do so. no set mining. basically never playing out of blinds unless im 3bing. big emphasis on looking for mass multitabling nits who i can 3b light, and 3bing as light as KJs vs the typical fishtard population for value.

as for 3bing;
IP:
- AA: 4b v nit, flat 3b vs lagtard
- KK: same as AA
- QQ: flat 3b, adjust based on texture post
- JJ: same as QQ
- TT: 4b shove vs guys with a bigger 3b range than 8.5%, 4b/fold vs guys with lower than 8.5%
- AK: 4b/6b vs guys with a bigger 3b range than 3%, 4b/fold vs guys with lower than 3%

OOP:
- AA: 3b/5b shove
- KK: same as AA
- QQ: 3b/flat 4b, shove non AK flop
- JJ: 3b/fold
- TT: 3b/fold
-AK: 3b/fold
 
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Cut down on the tables and just play tight, like probably way tighter than you are playing right now. 15% of hands in full ring. 20% in 6max. Raise almost all the time preflop when you play a hand. Just make your cbets and give up if they call or fight back and you have a mediocre hand/draw or less. Don't bluff (don't ever bluff) and just bet for value constantly when you have a big hand like TPGK+. Don't tilt. This should be enough to at least get you a small winrate at these stakes. NL2 is not hard. GL.
 
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I am struggling with microstakes as well.

Blackrain when you say raise almost every hand that you play does that include hands someone else has already raised?

For example AJ on the button when someone raised 3 bb already. Are you basically folding or 3 betting here based on their stats?

I assume a good example of a time to call is something like 44 with position when 3 people limped in the pot. Do you agree? Suited connector too?
 
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gnarus said:
I am struggling with microstakes as well.

Blackrain when you say raise almost every hand that you play does that include hands someone else has already raised?

For example AJ on the button when someone raised 3 bb already. Are you basically folding or 3 betting here based on their stats?

I assume a good example of a time to call is something like 44 with position when 3 people limped in the pot. Do you agree? Suited connector too?
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with AJ on on the button depends on the villian if theyre loose or tight if you think theyre raising light than probably throw a 3bet out there... With the small pocket pairs and SCs, you wanna make sure your getting the implied odds to call.. say if there is a raise and a limper you dont wanna call if they are short stacked because it just wont be worth it the times you do hit ur set ur not getting enough of a payoff
 
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JCgrind said:
this is my basic 2NL strategy taken from here: https://www.cardschat.com/forum/pok...ins-46/paying-bills-6max-2nl-winnings-211723/

as for those of you who want tips, heres my general gameplan.
UTG: 99+, AJo+, ATs+, KQs, *77-88, Ato
MP: 99+, ATo+, ATs+, KQs+, *77-88, QJs-KJs
CO: 66+, ATo+, A8s+, suited broadway, KQo, *KTo-KJo, QJo
Btn: CO range, + all PP, all sc's 67+, all one gappers 68+ *any two if blinds f2steal>80%
SB: 66+, ATo+, A9s+, QJs/o+, *any two if BB f2steal>70%
BB: purely dependent on who raised. UTG range basically vs anyone other than Btn, SB. Btn range vs anyone else.

*play if table is passive. i tend to go by whether the people left to act have a 3b stat of less than 8%=passive.

obv this is super broad and changes on table dynamic but its a solid guidline to follow when 12-24 tabling

never call 3bs unless ESS makes sense to do so. no set mining. basically never playing out of blinds unless im 3bing. big emphasis on looking for mass multitabling nits who i can 3b light, and 3bing as light as KJs vs the typical fishtard population for value.

as for 3bing;
IP:
- AA: 4b v nit, flat 3b vs lagtard
- KK: same as AA
- QQ: flat 3b, adjust based on texture post
- JJ: same as QQ
- TT: 4b shove vs guys with a bigger 3b range than 8.5%, 4b/fold vs guys with lower than 8.5%
- AK: 4b/6b vs guys with a bigger 3b range than 3%, 4b/fold vs guys with lower than 3%

OOP:
- AA: 3b/5b shove
- KK: same as AA
- QQ: 3b/flat 4b, shove non AK flop
- JJ: 3b/fold
- TT: 3b/fold
-AK: 3b/fold
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nice post.....how do you feel about small pocket pairs 22>55 coz i see you dont play them......would you limp in with them if there was callers in front of you?....im not too keen on playing them either because any flop can have you crushed if its like 79J ....not often its going to be a lower board than your small pocket pairs lol and even when it is you hit the set....whats you thoughts?......

@Jones...good luck dude, you will be fine aslong as you are willing to learn and participate in the forum :)
 
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yes, I was wondering about the reasons behind not set mining as well. I recently read Blackrain's book and his thought was that hitting sets are too valuable to not play pocket pairs (his book was also primarily for FR so maybe that changes things? I play 6max). I'm currently profitable playing small pairs- but it's not a large enough sample to see if that will hold true in the long run. I see you crush micros and I value your opinion so definitely would like to hear your insight.
 
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Babies learn to crawl before they walk, never mind run.

The beginner-level poker equivalent is to learn to be a winner playing one table before trying to multi-table. Yes, it can seem boring, especially playing tight since you'll simply fold the large majority of hands. But poker isn't just about playing hands. It's also about observing and analyzing other players' styles and patterns so that you you can play better against them. There's plenty to watch and learn at one table when you're not in hands, granted this part of poker isn't fun like actually playing hands.
 
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Thanks for getting back to me, I guess I could spare a couple of hours playing just the one table and taking it all in, however I don't use any tracking software or HUD reason for this is when I've been multitabling I've had HUDS on and it's just clogged up my poker tables and it looks a mess, I wouldn't mind trying them out again but poker tracker and holdem manager I've downloaded the trials before and never used them so now i will have to purchase one of them and I don't even know if I'm gonna find it useful.
I should of got used to it in the free trial but I can't now so anymore program's I could try? Poker edge is not for me as I play full tilt and its not accepted.
Thanks for replies and I hope to hear more on the thread :)
 
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Thanks for getting back to me, understanding your reply will be kinda difficult since I don't use a HUD, I'll do my best to pick up on it :)
@alfie... Thanks man I'm keen to learn the game and ill be posting more and keeping in touch on the forum .. Gl yourself
 
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Also when replying how do I attach the message ill be replying to like you did @alfie?
 
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Jones, it would help if you downloaded a free trial of poker tracker or another hud, and used it. Most of your opponents will have one, and since it is free for like 60 days, you can try it even if you do not want to buy one now. You could even try one, then try another when the trial runs out.
 
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Jones422 said:
Also when replying how do I attach the message ill be replying to like you did @alfie?
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Like this...
There is a Quote button to the lower right of the post you want to quote (left click)
 
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gnarus said:
I am struggling with microstakes as well.

Blackrain when you say raise almost every hand that you play does that include hands someone else has already raised?

For example AJ on the button when someone raised 3 bb already. Are you basically folding or 3 betting here based on their stats?

I assume a good example of a time to call is something like 44 with position when 3 people limped in the pot. Do you agree? Suited connector too?
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No it doesn't mean to re-raise every time. As domeburglar pointed out it will depend on the player type, their stack size and also where they raised from. In general though I don't call many raises preflop. When I do I have a low to medium pocket pair that I am attempting to set mine with the overwhelming majority of the time.
 
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Jones422 said:
Thanks for getting back to me, I guess I could spare a couple of hours playing just the one table and taking it all in, however I don't use any tracking software or HUD reason for this is when I've been multitabling I've had HUDS on and it's just clogged up my poker tables and it looks a mess, I wouldn't mind trying them out again but poker tracker and holdem manager I've downloaded the trials before and never used them so now i will have to purchase one of them and I don't even know if I'm gonna find it useful.
I should of got used to it in the free trial but I can't now so anymore program's I could try? Poker edge is not for me as I play full tilt and its not accepted.
Thanks for replies and I hope to hear more on the thread :)
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Tracking software is a tool that can be very helpful. But it isn't absolutely necessary by any means, especially at the micros where you can be fairly profitable simply by giving back less than you get handed through poor plays by opponents. Note that I said profitable, not optimally profitable. Software can help you to improve your profitability, but like a lot of tools, how much it helps depends on how well you learn to use it.
 
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