Help me find my leaks

I was browsing my hem till I see this player analysis.

What are these things? Im sure alot of these are bad plays.

General

VERY high turn cbet 340/539 for 63.1%
High River cbet 83/138 for 60.1%
Low fold to flop cbet 320/784 for 40.8%
Very low fold to turn Cbet 35/214 for 16.4%
Very low fold to river cbet 17/62 for 27.4%

I need some advice on my stats. I dont really know what these things means.

A few questions to ask yourself is these...
1) are you c-betting the turn for hand equity or completly bluffing
2) When you c-bet the turn are you c-betting for value against a nit or completly bluffing? and why?
3) do you c-bet EVERY time your in possition with little to no hand equity?
4) are you double barreling the river to much?

Sardonix said:

A few questions to ask yourself is these...
1) are you c-betting the turn for hand equity or completly bluffing

Sometimes. I do have hand. But Mostly I dont have hand. I only raise in turn because I raised PF. "Im not that sure if im doing the right play here"

2) When you c-bet the turn are you c-betting for value against a nit or completly bluffing? and why?

Im not that sure about the villians. I play multitable. I only Cbet when I raised pf.

3) do you c-bet EVERY time your in possition with little to no hand equity?

Yes, Which is wrong Im sure but I dont know when to cbet and when not.

4) are you double barreling the river to much?

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I mostly fire 2 bullet on flop and river.


I need urgent help on this stuff.. Im not that good yet in poker. Any advice would be appreciated.

also look at the reports for things like cbet succes rate. it these are working then dont worry too much. all those stats are based on 6max. and maybe also i different stake than your playing. there is a HEM manual on there website. its got all the stats meanings and intructions you may need.

-- also read the articals on finding leaks etc. go though everything in these and see whre you stand. these will help you find some leaks for sure.

At the micros cbetting a high percentage of flops is a good tactic imo, and i've been there long enough to know lol, most of the people there play fit or fold poker, i.e. if they dont hit the flop they will fold to a cbet. The term 'hit the flop' is the grey area, and where you have to start using your brain a little, you ever hear the terms 'dry' and 'wet' boards??

Furthermore, the majority of players there will not adjust to your 80-90% cbet stats in the slightest. When someone does start to play back at you they're easy to spot b/c they're probably the only one at the table that is lol

A couple of quick pointers off the top of my head.

- Always cbet when checked to on a paired board, if you think about it literally, on a board like 993, they can only have hit that flop with 5 cards, and if you raised pf they're not likely to have a 3, so you could say 2 cards really.

- Always raise min-donk bets, this is something that takes a little bit of cahones when you've whiffed the board but when someone min donk bets into you it usually means they have middle pair and want to 'find out where they stand', raise their asses and they fold a lot more than you'd think, fwiw i've just added 'donkbet flop' and 'fold to donkbet raise' to my hud and its working wonders.

- Don't cbet when more than 2 people have called your pf raise, if you haven't hit the flop then generally just try and check it down, hope to catch a few cards or if they all check the turn then consider firing your cbet then instead.

- Try not to have loose calling stations on your left b/c they're a pain in the ass to play against when you don't have position and it makes you start to play fit or fold as they will call you down all the way when your AK whiffs the flop.

- Generally, at the micros's, dont double barrel, i've found that when someone check-calls on the flop they're usually holding TP 9+ kicker and they aren't the type to fold it to a turn cbet, obv make a note of guys like this b/c you can valuetown them when your holding tptk, a set, etc. The only time i will double barrel is if ive turned my cbet into a semi bluff, with a draw or something, and i think i can fold them out on the turn whilst still having equity if they call.

- If you haven't already, watch the introduction to cbetting video on stox, its one of their free ones and can be found on the frontpage of their site.

From what i can tell you need to read up more on C-Betting. 1 thing is for sure you cant double barrel EVERY hand you raise with preflop. When you C-Bet the flop try and have some outs. Say you got 9-9 and you raise 1 caller. flop is AKQ. Don't C-bet because you have pretty much no outs. Theres no point to continue with the hand. But a hand like AK and the flop is J-10-2. C-Bet Because you have outs just in case he calls plus you are getting value from your hand. C-Bets should not be fired at every pot just because you raised preflop. If someone sees you firing at every pot that you raise preflop and then barrel on turn what do you think they are going to do?
When they flop a monster they are going to smooth call you all the way and put in a value sized river bet getting as many cheetos as possable.

orangepeeleo said:

At the micros cbetting a high percentage of flops is a good tactic imo, and i've been there long enough to know lol, most of the people there play fit or fold poker, i.e. if they dont hit the flop they will fold to a cbet. The term 'hit the flop' is the grey area, and where you have to start using your brain a little, you ever hear the terms 'dry' and 'wet' boards??

Furthermore, the majority of players there will not adjust to your 80-90% cbet stats in the slightest. When someone does start to play back at you they're easy to spot b/c they're probably the only one at the table that is lol

A couple of quick pointers off the top of my head.

- Always cbet when checked to on a paired board, if you think about it literally, on a board like 993, they can only have hit that flop with 5 cards, and if you raised pf they're not likely to have a 3, so you could say 2 cards really.

- Always raise min-donk bets, this is something that takes a little bit of cahones when you've whiffed the board but when someone min donk bets into you it usually means they have middle pair and want to 'find out where they stand', raise their asses and they fold a lot more than you'd think, fwiw i've just added 'donkbet flop' and 'fold to donkbet raise' to my hud and its working wonders.

- Don't cbet when more than 2 people have called your pf raise, if you haven't hit the flop then generally just try and check it down, hope to catch a few cards or if they all check the turn then consider firing your cbet then instead.

- Try not to have loose calling stations on your left b/c they're a pain in the ass to play against when you don't have position and it makes you start to play fit or fold as they will call you down all the way when your AK whiffs the flop.

- Generally, at the micros's, dont double barrel, i've found that when someone check-calls on the flop they're usually holding TP 9+ kicker and they aren't the type to fold it to a turn cbet, obv make a note of guys like this b/c you can valuetown them when your holding tptk, a set, etc. The only time i will double barrel is if ive turned my cbet into a semi bluff, with a draw or something, and i think i can fold them out on the turn whilst still having equity if they call.

- If you haven't already, watch the introduction to cbetting video on stox, its one of their free ones and can be found on the frontpage of their site.

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this is great advice. i wish i read this before i learned it the hard way. the thing about donk betting if they min. bet on a wet board be wary if the call and the draw hits. and i raise donk bets 90% of he time. whether its a min bet or not. if checked to i look at the donk bet stat to see if they would of bet if they had a hand. and also cbetting(or should i say cbluffing) i dont do as much if i hit. i was doing the challenges on tilt and found people call you donwn too much with junk if you check/raise. so if i hit i will check/raise more often. i think this helps me get more out of them as they would often fold to a cbet and won't to a check raise.

orangepeeleo said:

i've just added 'donkbet flop' and 'fold to donkbet raise' to my hud and its working wonders.

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I've also had this on my HUD for some time now, and it works wonders at the micros, in fact, depending on the game I am in, that is sometimes the only stat that I'm really looking at on opponents, just because they are a lot more predictable. Anyone who's playing micros and has HEM or PT3, take this piece of info and implement it into your game!

The advice so far in the thread is awesome. I would also suggest posting a few of your hand histories so that we can see how you play and offer advice if we see any leaks in your game. This thread has a few tips I posted on how to do that here on CardsChat: Tips on Posting Hand Histories.

Best of luck to you!

T.

I'd guess you're playing really tight preflop. That would lead to stronger hands postflop which correlates to a higher than average continuation with the hand as you will often have a big pair.

However, since you are asking about leaks, perhaps you're also going too far with some hands that really need to be let go earlier on.

It's really hard to just look at a few stats and "diagnose" the issue. Really need somebody to sweat you so they can see things in action. Similar to the previous scenario I described. I posited one reason that you could be continuing with hands too far. However, you may simply be always thinking people are bluffing you, and are actually just calling down light.

Some stuff that could help is:

Number of hands, VPIP, PFR, AF, AFreq, 3bet, Fold to 3bet, Steal, Fold to steals, Flop Cbet, WTSD, W$SD, honestly the more stats the clearer the picture can become. I'm just rattling a few off the top of my head that help and that you didn't already give. If you could throw some more stats up, I can definitely give a shot at giving you a more in depth analysis.

Seeing that you only have gotten to 62 rivers, your sample size is going to be pretty small, nonetheless it's better than nothing.

Sardonix said:

From what i can tell you need to read up more on C-Betting. 1 thing is for sure you cant double barrel EVERY hand you raise with preflop. When you C-Bet the flop try and have some outs. Say you got 9-9 and you raise 1 caller. flop is AKQ. Don't C-bet because you have pretty much no outs. Theres no point to continue with the hand. But a hand like AK and the flop is J-10-2. C-Bet Because you have outs just in case he calls plus you are getting value from your hand.

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This is pretty much opposite to how I'd play. If I raise preflop and the flop comes AKQ, I'm firing because my opponent is going to have to give me a lot of credit with a big flop like that. And you're correct, I have virtually no outs. So if I win, hoorah! I may have just pried my opponent off a winning hand that he'd check down if he had something like a weak king or queen. Otherwise I know I probably have to shut down if called on the flop because although he may have a king or queen that will release to a 2nd barrel, if he has an ace, even a weak one, I'm going to have to fire probably twice more to pry him off it, and by that point he may decide to call anyway even though he "knows" he's beat.

However on the JT2, I have quite a bit of equity. My AK might be good, I can catch a Q for the nuts, or Aces and Kings for TPTK, which may or may not be good. I don't know where I stand, but I don't want to get check-raised off of a spot like this where I do have showdown value. Instead I want to take a free card, try to get to showdown cheap, and not build a big pot when my most likely hand to make by showdown is one pair.

Mase31683 said:

This is pretty much opposite to how I'd play. If I raise preflop and the flop comes AKQ, I'm firing because my opponent is going to have to give me a lot of credit with a big flop like that. And you're correct, I have virtually no outs. So if I win, hoorah! I may have just pried my opponent off a winning hand that he'd check down if he had something like a weak king or queen. Otherwise I know I probably have to shut down if called on the flop because although he may have a king or queen that will release to a 2nd barrel, if he has an ace, even a weak one, I'm going to have to fire probably twice more to pry him off it, and by that point he may decide to call anyway even though he "knows" he's beat.

However on the JT2, I have quite a bit of equity. My AK might be good, I can catch a Q for the nuts, or Aces and Kings for TPTK, which may or may not be good. I don't know where I stand, but I don't want to get check-raised off of a spot like this where I do have showdown value. Instead I want to take a free card, try to get to showdown cheap, and not build a big pot when my most likely hand to make by showdown is one pair.

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Okay so you want to C-Bet a hand you have almost zero equity in and not C-Bet a hand you have a lot of equity in. If you raise preflop with 9-9 and you get a caller from early/mid position he most likely hit the AKQ board, so firing here is -EV unless he has a high fold to C-BET stat or a fold to 2-barrel stat and you plan on firing that second barrel and his vp is high. If your going into the hand without a HUD, then c\f is the +ev play, IMO. I just think that only 1 out of like ten times your going to take this pot down with just a c-bet and the rest of the time your going to have to double barrel to take it down and i honestly dont think thats going to happen ofton. So if you were to do it everytime it would be -ev. i understand we were the raisor but im more or less thinking about his calling range here.

I just dont understand why you wouldnt fire a C-BET into a board that you have equity in??? I wouldnt like a checkraise either but how ofton do you believe your going to be checkraised in this spot? If i do get checkraised id consider flat calling, expecially to a minraise. But anyways im going to C-bet a hand i have equity in before i c-bet a hand i have no equity in.

Personally, I'd fire both of these boards, I cbet a lot. However if I had to pick one to not cbet at, it would be the AK hand. Not because of equity, but because I have some showdown value. In the 99 board, there's a good amount of fold equity from a scary board, so I'm going to use it.

JT2 is much less likely to hit my hand range, and players who know my style will love to come at me on that board. At some point, they will pick a spot to make a stand, and trust me, it's going to come on a board like 45J, T65, something like that. They want something that looks like it missed overcards.

I also think you're giving opponents way too much respect for hand ranges. Since this is in learning, I'm assuming this game isn't 200nl+, and even there people will still be flatting way too wide a lot. So much of our opponent's range is small pp's SC's, and one gappers. And that part of the range sure isn't happy when it sees AKQ roll out versus a preflop raiser.

The whole thing with not cbetting with AK is that if I do improve to an actual hand, it's going to mostly be one pair. On top of this though, if I have one pair, I can only beat one pair lower than mine or high card hands. If he has high card, well than my hand is already best, but how many bets is high card K- going to call honestly? Once I bet and he calls, now his range is narrowed to exactly {hands better than mine}. Checking through allows his range to keep hands behind mine.

As far as one pair hands go if he does have one pair at this point, we can catch the A or K to get there. But if he has one pair, there's a lot of hands that will make two pair when we hit one. KJ, AJ, KT, AT, KQ will have the straight if our A comes, and AQ will get the straight if the K comes. Really the only hand that we're clean on are QJ, and QT.

The ability to catch a queen for a straight makes a difference in this particular board, but too often people cbet with a hand like AK and go too far with it, without thinking about how large/small they want the pot to be for the type of hand they are most likely to end up with. More than half the time you're going to end up with high card AK. 32% you will have one pair. You'll only get the straight 16%, and 50% of those will be made on the river when you still had not much of a hand on the turn, so how much betting are you really going to want to do? Give a go at trying to manipulate pot size based on likely final hand strength, you might find some extra BB/100 in there