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bonghead365
Rising Star
Bronze Level
Hi, Im pretty new to holdem, and the way i usually calculate my odds on the spot is simply using 2% per out per card im going to see.. very basic.. What Im having trouble with is trying to calculate the chances of 2 specific cards showing. like if i hold 2 3 5 and i need a 4 and then a A or a 6 to complete my straight. I know that gives me 12 outs, but thats not 24% chance if i just see the turn or 48% if i see both the turn and the river.. (roughly..) because that would mean 2 A's could show or 2 6's could show and it wouldnt complete my hand. So how do i calculate this out properly??
ALSO, calculating hand strength preflop.. Ive been told, for example, AJo vs AKo is roughly 30% for AJo to win.. and I was told that its because AJ only has 3 outs to win, 3 J's x 2% x 5 cards to come = 30% (i think its really 29%, but that way is accuate enough for my taste..) Now, I think thats pretty simple, but what if you are comparing two completly different hands like 89s vs A2o, and I dont completly understand how its 71%-29% in the previous example, because that doesnt consider chances of straights.. and it is possible for AJ to hit a straight and AK to not hit it.. does that not come into play when calculating preflop?? thats what confusing me.. and on the last note, is knowing how to calculate preflop hand comparison even a neccesary skill, and do people ever use this in game? its just stated on TV, but flop changes everything, and when playing you never completly know what someone has.. So thanks everyone very much for your input... greatly appreciated.
EDITED- After thought, with the AJo Vs AKo example, im guessing straights aren't considered because they both need 3 cards to hit a straight, so that cancels it out, but what about a matchup where 1 hand needs 3 cards to hit a straight, and the other needs 4.. does that change things?? and what about comparing more than 2 hands preflop.. and I still dont know if this is even a neccesary skill to be able to calculate it, but I would just like to understand how its done.. :/
ALSO, calculating hand strength preflop.. Ive been told, for example, AJo vs AKo is roughly 30% for AJo to win.. and I was told that its because AJ only has 3 outs to win, 3 J's x 2% x 5 cards to come = 30% (i think its really 29%, but that way is accuate enough for my taste..) Now, I think thats pretty simple, but what if you are comparing two completly different hands like 89s vs A2o, and I dont completly understand how its 71%-29% in the previous example, because that doesnt consider chances of straights.. and it is possible for AJ to hit a straight and AK to not hit it.. does that not come into play when calculating preflop?? thats what confusing me.. and on the last note, is knowing how to calculate preflop hand comparison even a neccesary skill, and do people ever use this in game? its just stated on TV, but flop changes everything, and when playing you never completly know what someone has.. So thanks everyone very much for your input... greatly appreciated.
EDITED- After thought, with the AJo Vs AKo example, im guessing straights aren't considered because they both need 3 cards to hit a straight, so that cancels it out, but what about a matchup where 1 hand needs 3 cards to hit a straight, and the other needs 4.. does that change things?? and what about comparing more than 2 hands preflop.. and I still dont know if this is even a neccesary skill to be able to calculate it, but I would just like to understand how its done.. :/
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