Hand question

Ok, so im out of position and raise preflop 3x bb with 56 suited spades, I like to raise these kind of hands
One caller

Im out of position to the flop HU

Flop gives me flush draw, so i bet out 150 (3 BB)
He raises to 650
Ive seen him do this, and the flop seemed pretty week, the highest card was a jack, so i thought he might be making a move on me,

So, I raise all in to 2000, hoping that he would fold, but if he did end up calling i still had a fighting chance,

He called and turned over a set of jacks

turn paired the board,
and i was ko


Good move?
Bad Move?
I thought that all in with a nice draw would be a good move in the hopes he would fold with mid pair

fold pre and fold on the flop

baudib1 said:

fold pre and fold on the flop

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^^ complete and perfect response

Was a good move imo only if you play purely for entertainment otherwise the odds are probably not favorable for anything other than amusement value. Think the 650 bet was a clear enough sign to jump ship on that one.

You did what you like to do, in spite of your position & your opponents responses, guess you both went home happy.

OOP we decide to raise 3xbb with 56s? if this was full ring please don't tell me you were in ep as that would possibly be the worst hand I've ever seen posted on here. In early position I muck AQ let alone 5 bloody 6.

The worrying thing is that if you'd have hit your flush and won the hand I doubt very much you would've posted this and you would've felt you played it well.

How much FE do you think you have when you shove? How much equity in the pot do you think you have? What do you think his range is for raising your (very weak) CB? I'm betting you didn't consider any of these and just decided to play the hand how you like to play it. We don't have the odds (implied or immediate) for any of the plays you made, yet you did them anyway.

If I were deeper I'd consider opening with a raise pre (even in EP)... but not likely w ~40bb's

Kenzie 96 said:

You did what you like to do, in spite of your position & your opponents responses, guess you both went home happy.

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LOL

yea, stacks and position make easy fold pre, if you must bet this pre and dont get a fold, chasing is a bad idea on the flop. You have a good hand example that explains why very nicely. OOP means easy fold.

A real HH would make this much easier to comment on.

If you're going to raise 56s-type hands from seats where you're likely to have to play OOP, you need to have a superior post-flop game along with the kind of emotional make-up that isn't shaken by high variance since that's what you're likely to run into.

Don't do what Durrr does. Despite your name, you are not him. Opening from EP with 56suited (not sure if the fact it was sooooted makes this even funnier...) is pretty much never a good thing.

That first line made me lol so hard.

Ok, i get it, so the answer is dont be in the hand in the first place, but the blinds were so low that i felt as if it were a cash game at the moment, and yes ive watched lots of high stakes poker, and they pretty much only raise with these hands, in hope that you can win a lot of money against an overpair, but i suppose after the guy raised to 600, I should have earned the message, but talk about overbet, it was confusing situation, i thought he was trying to get me off ak

you can start out by learning how to post HHs properly so that you can get good feedback. If this were a tough call, a lot of relevant information would be missing:

What kind of game this is (I assume sit-n-go), buyin, structure (normal or turbo), stack sizes, reads on villain, etc.

See this thread
https://www.cardschat.com/forum/tou...-51/hand-analysis-read-before-posting-174517/

Don't post results.

Durrr said:

Ok, i get it, so the answer is dont be in the hand in the first place, but the blinds were so low that i felt as if it were a cash game at the moment, and yes ive watched lots of high stakes poker, and they pretty much only raise with these hands, in hope that you can win a lot of money against an overpair, but i suppose after the guy raised to 600, I should have earned the message, but talk about overbet, it was confusing situation, i thought he was trying to get me off ak

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Pros play deep-stacked so they have the implied odds for these sort of plays, as well as being excpetional post-flop players. Raising gives you the initiative and means when you do get Aces you can get paid off. Playing 56s the same as they would play aces is more metagame than anything which you don't even need to think about.

The second you raise from ep pre-flop you're so vulnerable to a re-raise which will end up going from a cheap raise to commiting alot of your stack with basically nothing. ABC poker >>>> Pro play at smaller stakes

Durrr said:

Ok, i get it, so the answer is dont be in the hand in the first place, but the blinds were so low that i felt as if it were a cash game at the moment, and yes ive watched lots of high stakes poker, and they pretty much only raise with these hands, in hope that you can win a lot of money against an overpair, but i suppose after the guy raised to 600, I should have earned the message, but talk about overbet, it was confusing situation, i thought he was trying to get me off ak

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Do not use anything you see the pros do in HSP on TV as proper poker strategy. Their reasons for what they do are so specific (or so silly, depending), and not translatable to low stakes games, which I assume you were playing., as well as cash game thinking belongs in cash games...............

I don't pretend to know their full thinking, but I'm sure pros raise with such hands for reasons that go beyond just hoping to flop big against an overpair. For instance, to balance their ranges - but that only matters against opponents who both notice said ranges and adapt to take advantage if they're unbalanced.

As noted, forget trying to play like a pro. It's a different game with different opponents and a different mix / balance of strategic considerations at their level.

IF you decide to play this hand, fold when he plays back at you that strong postflop. Don't call a bet with nothing, and certainly don't go way over the top on draw.