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Just played a hand last night that put me in abit of a tricky situation. Just hoping someone gives me some advice for it.

Im on the button with AJo, UTG limps and it folds around, the CO then Raises 3x and i flat call and so does UTG.
Flop come Ac 10s js. UTG Raises and CO Reraises.
Flush draw out straight draws and i have two pair.
What do i do?????

-CO is a fairly loose player and UTG is a new player who didnt really know what was going on.
This was in a live tournement last night.
I ended up folding and CO showed A 10....lower two pair then me.......

Not sure if this was a really bad fold or if it a good one????
 
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You have to fold this to a bet (not raise) and a raise (not re-raise). And please don't post results. You are in a bad spot here and you have to just let it go.

That kinda sounded rude. Wasn't trying to be. Sorry.
 
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That is an ugly board. This is a very tough decision.

I honestly don't know if I would call or not. Your opponents' table image plays a big role here.

With the raise, and then re-raise, I probably would have folded also. Depends on my stack size and their stack sizes.

Obviously these two guys (your opponents) are not the sharpest tools in the shed
 
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Yeah, UTG is actually quite a good player, and in this case outplayed me as i guess he was trying to see if i was on a draw and raised mainly to see where he was at.

Glad to know someone else thinks this was a tough decision hahah
I really struggled with folding it though.
 
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what was the out come im srry i dont always fold top two and yes people get suckouts but then again they buy alot too.sometimes you have to be bold and stick it out and if you lose hey theres another game but your money was in good only my opinion and maybey morons will start shaping up when folks start playing poker again.all this new crap gee whats the world of poker coming to when you fold top two pair go over the top.win or lose.ill keep coming back.stronger than ever.peace in the poker internet world but be on the lookout for the card players from the old school.faith in the odds.keepin it real.goodluck all.
 
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This is what you do with that flop raise you're facing.

You push every single one of your chips into the center of the table and smile.

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So should of come over the top???
 
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I would have in that spot.

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I think i would have but there was still the UTG to act if i pushed, or should this not of affected my call? He could've easily hit something huge on that board aswell???
And from a Raise and a Re raise does top two pair really look that strong on that board??
 
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not folding, hard to say beyond that without stack sizes and bet sizes
 
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CO stack size had me covered just, and UTG was fairly even aswell
 
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ship it, its a live tournament and you have top two..

stack sizes/blinds sizes etc would be helpful even if in the general area so we know how deep you are.
 
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what was the out come im srry i dont always fold top two and yes people get suckouts but then again they buy alot too.sometimes you have to be bold and stick it out and if you lose hey theres another game but your money was in good only my opinion and maybey morons will start shaping up when folks start playing poker again.all this new crap gee whats the world of poker coming to when you fold top two pair go over the top.win or lose.ill keep coming back.stronger than ever.peace in the poker internet world but be on the lookout for the card players from the old school.faith in the odds.keepin it real.goodluck all.
Waaaaat?

As far as stack sizes..... need to know bb's in each. Not just whether he has you covered.
 
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Put me in the re-shove camp, and it doesn't matter what the stack sizes are.
 
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Put me in the re-shove camp, and it doesn't matter what the stack sizes are.

how could stack sizes not matter? surely you dont want to over jam 5x pot or anything?
 
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how could stack sizes not matter? surely you dont want to over jam 5x pot or anything?

Not a re-raise, a shove/re shove....all-in. In which case stack sizes do not matter to us, but they might then matter to our villains. We should not want to give anyone here the odds to continue, within the bounds of us having any FE at all.

Unfortunately, that is the theoretical better play and I often do the stupid thing of just coming along, and in those cases someone inevitably fills their draw. :( It is a leak in my game.
 
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yeah im with the majority on this... in a tourny you just take the chance on top two with that flop (depending on how early on it is, if it was late totally diff sit.)... odds are you have it... if someone had the KQ oh well, they got lucky. don't be afraid to risk, or you will find yourself wishing you played this when you didnt and you'll start altering your game when u don't need to
 
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Not a re-raise, a shove/re shove....all-in. In which case stack sizes do not matter to us, but they might then matter to our villains. We should not want to give anyone here the odds to continue, within the bounds of us having any FE at all.

Unfortunately, that is the theoretical better play and I often do the stupid thing of just coming along, and in those cases someone inevitably fills their draw. :( It is a leak in my game.

of course it matters. what on earth do you mean?
 
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Fold Preflop. Avoid the tricky spot. If you must play AJ there raise preflop and fold if it gets raised back to you.
 
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If we get all our chips in the pot, it does not matter what stack sizes anyone else has. There may be effective stack considerations. Ex; 1,2,3bet and the shove by us. Bigger stacks will be looking at possibly spoiling the big stacks they have, and smaller stacks won't matter...We can only win (our stack x # of players in pot). Big stacks is in jeopardy, small stack is looking to double,triple,w/e up.

So we are playing with our FE at this point, and if someone calls, we really are only worried about sets (minimized [but not non-existant] cuz we hold 2 of the 12 necessary combo's), and that evil KQ combo.

Since we decided to play this hand, we should be looking for opportunities, like this, to capitalize in large ways.

Str8's, flushes and to a slightly lesser degree sets, should be considered rare, with the average winning hand something like a pair and a half, 2 pr, and T2P should be considered strong enough, most of the time, to warrant shoving.

Since we don't have stack sizes to start with, nor pot sizes, it is difficult to determine what a shove will induce, calculation wise, in our villains. A reasonable guess is that A-T calls. Remember that our villains will give us credit for possibly having that evil KQ combo too.

In many ways, this hand shows the essence of poker....IMHO....
 
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