Is this guy a great player or... an idiot?

Playing 5.00 6 table SNG

I raised in last position with Kj and one guy calls.

I didnt hit my cards, but since there was only one other player that called, with a fairly dry flop, and I know I didnt hit this guys range either..I decided it would be safe to cbet the flop,

he calls...

So, I check the turn...

Then he bets 6 times the BB!

I fold

Turns out he had A 4 and hit his 4 on the flop. Thats it! he had ONE pair of 4! Nothing else!

Didnt even have a st8 draw or flush draw just a 4!

He played like this a lot and it worked well for him.

So I was wondering if maybe theres something to his play?

IS there something to learn here?

Is he a more advanced player... thats really good at exploiting weakness in other players Or... is he just an over aggressive maniac?

pokernutts said:

Playing 5.00 6 table SNG

I raised in last position with Kj and one guy calls.

I didnt hit my cards, but since there was only one other player that called, with a fairly dry flop, and I know I didnt hit this guys range either..I decided it would be safe to cbet the flop,

he calls...

So, I check the turn...

Then he bets 6 times the BB!

I fold

Turns out he had A 4 and hit his 4 on the flop. Thats it! he had ONE pair of 4! Nothing else!

Didnt even have a st8 draw or flush draw just a 4!

He played like this a lot and it worked well for him.

So I was wondering if maybe theres something to his play?

IS there something to learn here?

Is he a more advanced player... thats really good at exploiting weakness in other players Or... is he just an over aggressive maniac?

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You havent really given us any info at all... dunno if your cards were suited, exactly what the flop was, previous history.

In all fairness, you had nothing, and when you checked the flop, it was probably so clear to him that you c-bet with air and then waved the white flag, that he decided he was safe, and it seems he was right.

Assuming last position means you were on the button, if you raised to 3bb pre-, 1 caller means the pot was either 6.5 or 7 bb. After you c-bet and got called, it was obviously more. So what do you see as a problem with his bet of 6bb, which rates to be less than half pot, after you check the turn indicating you don't have much?

Based on the incomplete info provided, this doesn't seem like that unusual a play. Not genius by any means or idiotic.

Guess I need to think more outside the box. Im learning!!

Arjonius said:

...this doesn't seem like that unusual a play. Not genius by any means or idiotic.

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This.

Without knowing specifics, we can also say the following:

Basically, we don't make a pair on the flop very much...everyone knows that. So, with a medium strength made hand, you should call, which villain does. He doesn't fold because he beats the majority of your range, and he doesn't raise because you'll only call with better, and he'd have to fold to a re-raise.

When you check the turn, you basically say you don't have a piece of the board, and so he bet, for value.

pokernutts said:

Playing 5.00 6 table SNG

I raised in last position with Kj and one guy calls.

I didnt hit my cards, but since there was only one other player that called, with a fairly dry flop, and I know I didnt hit this guys range either..I decided it would be safe to cbet the flop,

he calls...

So, I check the turn...

Then he bets 6 times the BB!

I fold

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This is where I got lost. You said you were in "last position", which I'm going to assume is the button. If you checked the turn, how can he bet behind you? Did you mean he bet on the river?

im leaning towards great player

WHEN U CHECKED THE FLOP U SHOWED WEAKNESS.anybody would chuck a bet in this situation, especialey if he boards any pair. best u read a few books.

Other question is the other player himself. At only $5.00 he may be gambling more just to see what may happens. I'm finding low stake sit-in-go are similar to freerolls to some people. He may have read you as tight and bet accordingly. I just have to learn to remember that.

PS Some people never fold A's either.

joker131 said:

WHEN U CHECKED THE FLOP U SHOWED WEAKNESS.anybody would chuck a bet in this situation, especialey if he boards any pair. best u read a few books.

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or better yet, 'best u read the thread' (he didn't check the flop.. he checked the turn)

Sounds like a BvB situation.

joker131 said:

WHEN U CHECKED THE FLOP U SHOWED WEAKNESS.anybody would chuck a bet in this situation, especialey if he boards any pair. best u read a few books.

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why do people like this have so many posts.

(not saying mine are great, but at least I read the HH right)

Poker Orifice said:

or better yet, 'best u read the thread' (he didn't check the flop.. he checked the turn)

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Love it... walked right into...

Arjonius said:

Assuming last position means you were on the button, if you raised to 3bb pre-, 1 caller means the pot was either 6.5 or 7 bb. After you c-bet and got called, it was obviously more. So what do you see as a problem with his bet of 6bb, which rates to be less than half pot, after you check the turn indicating you don't have much?

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Yeah, at this stage of the hand the number of BB's bet is not pertinent.
There is a pot there to be won. That is what matters now.
You too should be thinking in terms of making all bets in relation to the pot to be won. For example if your c-bet was just a min bet then he's getting very good odds to call your (very weak) bet with a pair and top kicker.
We still don't know the texture of the flop so it's very hard to tell more.

I like the thought that he missed the flop. Turns out he had a 4 but it shows logical thinking. I'm not the biggest fan of not thinking he would be thinking the same of your hand (that you missed). You did raise so a rag flop that obviously missed you too. Does that make sense? So his ace will beat out anything without an ace. He happened to get lucky and hit a 4 which would beat out higher aces.

Unless you have the guy definitely pinned as being worse than you, you have to give him credit for taking the same thought process as yourself. Maybe he was super donk and was calling with his 4 the whole way regardless. Maybe he thought it through the same way and you and decided his pair was better than your high card. I would just take the most info from the call preflop with a weak ace, add that sort of hand to his range.

Pairs are hard to make.