Is this guy a dumbass or is it a standard bluff that failed?

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I was playing a home game last night again at 50NL since blinds are at 0.25/0.50. I had a stack of $27 because first buy-in, they only let you buy-in for $20, and then you can rebuy or reload for $40 only if you have $5 or less.

I was on cutoff with pocket 5s. This hand was 7 handed.

UTG + 1 raised to $1.5
middle position called, I called, and big blind called. Pot is now ($6.25)

Flop came out 2s 2c 4c. Big blind checks. UTG + 1 c-bets for $5, middle position folds. I call because I'm thinking if I can be dominated by an overpair. Big blind folds. Pot is now $16.25.

Turn came out 5h, which gave me a boat. He checks, and I betted out $5. He calls. Pot is now $26.25

River came out Kc. He donk bets out $14. I shove all-in for $15.5. He FOLDS for $1.5 more. WTF? Is this guy a dumbass? Isn't this pot-commitment? Even if this guy was bluffing, shouldn't he still call at this point to see what I have? Or am I wrong to think of saying "pot commitment". It was just $1.5 more. I think this is one of the stupidest bluffs ever or stupidest fold. Or is he just unlucky to bluff at me at a wrong time?

Btw, I'm going to this home game again tonight. 50NL home games are extremely soft. I love it. I am flabbergasted at this. How could someone shove up $25.5 and then fold for $1.5 more? LMFAO. It's really sad that they don't understand what pot commitment is.
 
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I was playing a home game last night again at 50NL since blinds are at 0.25/0.50. I had a stack of $27 because first buy-in, they only let you buy-in for $20, and then you can rebuy or reload for $40 only if you have $5 or less.

I was on cutoff with pocket 5s. This hand was 7 handed.

UTG + 1 raised to $1.5
middle position called, I called, and big blind called. Pot is now ($6.25)

Flop came out 2s 2c 4c. Big blind checks. UTG + 1 c-bets for $5, middle position folds. I call because I'm thinking if I can be dominated by an overpair. Big blind folds. Pot is now $16.25.

Turn came out 5h, which gave me a boat. He checks, and I betted out $5. He calls. Pot is now $26.25

River came out Kc. He donk bets out $14. I shove all-in for $15.5. He FOLDS for $1.5 more. WTF? Is this guy a dumbass? Isn't this pot-commitment? Even if this guy was bluffing, shouldn't he still call at this point to see what I have? Or am I wrong to think of saying "pot commitment". It was just $1.5 more. I think this is one of the stupidest bluffs ever or stupidest fold. Or is he just unlucky to bluff at me at a wrong time?

Btw, I'm going to this home game again tonight. 50NL home games are extremely soft. I love it. I am flabbergasted at this. How could someone shove up $25.5 and then fold for $1.5 more? LMFAO. It's really sad that they don't understand what pot commitment is.


Thats ridiculous, lol. Basic logic would imply that you are not folding for 1.50 in a $50 pot even for the mentally impaired.

I dont understand what he could have, if theirs trips out there and a flush and neither hit him.
Just a dumb bluff 'the gamblers bluff' Hope you fold to the scare river and trips unsuccessful - it pretty clear you have one of the nut hands
 
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He knew he was dead and didn't waste the chips
 
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Watch out, he's just setting you up for future hands and knows he'll win it all back. In his mind, he had you right where he wanted you. :D
 
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He knew he was dead and didn't waste the chips

Well, he wasted like 94% of it. Wasted $25.5 but saved $1.5. I don't understand the logic of his bluff and his fold.
 
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Makes no sense to me either but lately many plays don't make sense.
 
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A bluff gone extremely wrong. He might have had an over pair before the King got there and then panicked.
 
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I don't understand either... does he knew how much he needed to call, maybe he thought that he need to pay lot more and insta folded to a raise. Just one question to be clear does he $1.5 left in his stack or he supposed to call $1.5?

Either way you don't need to understand why someone makes bad decisions, you just need to be right there when he makes it and take the money... Stick to this guy and to that game, it seems like it can be really good for your bankroll.
 
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Do you know if there's a reason for the 40bb initial buy-in rule?
 
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people that like to bluff generally bet hjgh enough to make you fold a winning hand, but a bluff gone bad...all you can do is fold!!! there is no such thing as pot committed when you don't have a hand to begin with!!! I hate to get caught bluffing but its part of the game. Doyle Brunson said it best...If you don't get caught bluffihg...you're not bluffing enough.
 
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Evidently he was trying to run a Jesse Sylvia sized monster bluff. He probably never thought he was going to get a call. When you shove, and he let's it go for an extra 1.5, it's probably not the extra money that concerned him. He knows he's beat and his bluff didn't work, but he still has the opportunity of saving himself the embarassment of letting you see the garbage he's raising with or how weak a hand he's capable of bluffing with. Better to let you think he missed a big hand and took a shot, which can be understood, than to show you something like 9-3 off and let you know how LAGtarded he is.
 
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people that like to bluff generally bet hjgh enough to make you fold a winning hand, but a bluff gone bad...all you can do is fold!!! there is no such thing as pot committed when you don't have a hand to begin with!!! I hate to get caught bluffing but its part of the game. Doyle Brunson said it best...If you don't get caught bluffihg...you're not bluffing enough.
Well said sir.
 
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You didn't show him your hand, did you? I hope not. That last $1.50 that he didn't pay was for information.

I personally would have called for the extra $1.50. I've already paid $25.50. I might as well pay the last $1.50 and at least gotten some information out of it. Being live and not online, where a player can look at the hand history and see what you had, even after you call and muck, he had the opportunity to call and see your cards before mucking his. I think that's worth the last $1.50. He might have been able to use the information about how you played the hand in the future. Seems like a smart player would know that.
 
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You didn't show him your hand, did you? I hope not. That last $1.50 that he didn't pay was for information.

I personally would have called for the extra $1.50. I've already paid $25.50. I might as well pay the last $1.50 and at least gotten some information out of it. Being live and not online, where a player can look at the hand history and see what you had, even after you call and muck, he had the opportunity to call and see your cards before mucking his. I think that's worth the last $1.50. He might have been able to use the information about how you played the hand in the future. Seems like a smart player would know that.

Definitely not even though he was asking what I had. I told him that it only costed $1.5 to see what I have.

After I shoved all-in, he was asking me what I had. I told him "well, it just costs $1.5 to find out. I mean, you already put $14 in there, it's just $1.5 more."
 
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As mentioned, it's almost certain that he didn't want to give up what hand he had. While mathematically speaking it should be an easy call, if you know you have nothing anyway, why pay any more just to give up your hand? Especially if there's a house rule that requires you to show upon request.

You talk too much.
This too.
 
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I think it was a bluff gone wrong, so y give any extra money on a hand he was loosing, i know it looks weird but he probably didnt want to show you his garbage cards
 
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I think it was a bluff gone wrong, so y give any extra money on a hand he was loosing, i know it looks weird but he probably didnt want to show you his garbage cards

One thing I just learned from reading this thread was that it's just a cute way to put someone all-in. I thought this guy was an idiot but it might not be a bad idea after all. All-in can look weak and people can put you on wide range of hands but by betting like this, it might make your perceived hand range narrow. I guess I learned something here after all. I have lot to learn in poker. This is actually not a bad idea. Rather than shoving all-in on the river, I can bluff for majority of their stack.
 
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Ah yes, this coming from a person who has more posts than me and have higher average posts per day than me. :argh:

I am not the one telling people while I play that they should deffo call off the rest of their money :D
 
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He was embarrassed. :eek:

Now you two (and a half) knock it off. It's about love bruddah. :argh:

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I am not the one telling people while I play that they should deffo call off the rest of their money :D

Oh, I thought you were referring to my posts on this thread. Completely miscomprehended what you were referring to. Sorry about that.

By the time he committed $14 of his money on the river, it was pretty much all-in to me and it's pretty much same thing as doubling up. Whether I talked to him or not, his hand must've been so bad that he had to fold. Even if he has any pocket pair, pair of Kings, pair of 4s, Ace high, if you're getting 36:1 to call to see my hand, I don't think talk matters. I pretty much maximized 95% of my stack.

I was just shocked that he folded for that price but looking back and some people mentioning here that he made Jesse Sylvia bluff, it's just a cute way to put someone all-in and people actually do this because they can save little bit of money while also having a narrowed perceived range when making this bet.
 
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Do you know if there's a reason for the 40bb initial buy-in rule?

Good question. I asked them yesterday and they said it's because they want everyone to start off with $20 in the beginning and then if they lose, they can reload and try to win their money back using $40. And they said that if they make it $20 in beginning, there will be more action going on and people who win will have $40 and people who lose, they can rebuy for $40 and then they can have fun. I don't understand the logic behind this but this is what they told me. Compared to online, it's short-stacked but I don't complain because it's still better than casinos, where people can only buy-in for 20bb, and only hollywood park and indian casinos where you can buy in upto 50bb. 40bb-80bb is still way better than 20bb-50bb. And best of all, NO RAKE!!!!!!!!!!
 
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It sounds to me like the guy was trying to buy the pot, which tends to be the norm for alot of loose-aggressive players. A donk player wouldn't have stopped and played through til the end.He was pot commited though, because betting $14, then folding when he only needed to pay off another 1.50, a definate attempt at a pot steal.
 
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