GTO Do you know what it is?

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Well, this acronym is something that at first had nothing to do with poker or just poker, it is a concept derived from mathematics that can be practically applied in everything in life that involves decisions. You will hardly find a GTO relationship with poetry, theater, and so on, but whatever else goes into making decisions for optimal results, or better than presented, mathematics can help a lot.
More and more the world is mathematics, not that simplistic mathematics that we learn in school, it is the basis, but a more refined mathematics, married to the strand of statistics and analysis of mathematical past to reach the future promising
The acronym GTO stands for Game Theory Optimal in a summary to facilitate understanding are portions of mathematical knowledge that lead you to make the best independent decision of the tendencies of the movements of your opponents. It is a decision making near perfect, or perfect, situation that makes no decision of your opponent can result in something profitable for him.
When you put examples of GTO in situations such as even or odd game, it is easy to understand, but when it comes to a game as complex as Texas Holdem No Limit decisions are complex and almost never get to optimize strategies 100% however, playing online poker primarily where each mouse click connects to a created graph of thousands upon thousands of situations, pursuing mathematically correct decisions can make all the difference to your success.
The advancement of this mathematical knowledge in poker has resulted in software that demonstrates proven numerous situations that when entered, these software unquestionably show you the best decision. Put variables like how many big blinds you have, what position you are in, and your opponents' stacks and software will tell you what action you take if you will never exploit your opponents, so it will always be profitable.
Poker has changed a lot from the time I was grading online, between 2005 and 2014, even at the end of this period, mathematical concepts such as these were already much explored at the tables but not with the accuracy and tooling that is presented today. However, some much simpler concepts to understand and complex to apply still apply and this still creates a great opportunity for live poker players. At live tables not the same volumes are made as on the online tables and so, mathematically perfect players often continue to suffer more pressure over seeing their decisions being rewarded where the environment is different from the one he is accustomed to. Obviously high-level players do not undergo any pressure and get a perfect match between the mathematical movements of the game and the variables presented in the live, and I'm not talking only about great players gets a great adaptation of these two worlds.
And I've been doing my homework and some things I can share with you, and I know that your game can evolve a lot with simple tips, in fact, great translations of complex teachings.

Example:

You who play poker online early in the career or the main, you who only play poker live, know what is or is concerned about the concept of being a balanced player?

Difficult understands what this means right? however, can be simplified.

Remember the last time you played poker! Can you tell me how many times you bluffed in this tournament? If yes, great, but do not bluff, right, I think you do not remember, remember, show! Now another question, can you remember how many times you played by value? That is, how many de facto hands did you come from and how many of them did you hit flops, turns and rivers? Do not say value hands only AA, KK, hands many times like 78s you hitou and played all the streets by value?
Well, being a balanced player means that these two numbers should be balanced. Be similar. Otherwise you are exploitable! That is, otherwise, technical players will find a gap in their game and take advantage of this at a certain time depending on which side their numbers are hanging.
If you go up 2.5x from UTG only AA, KK, AK, QQ, JJ and never go up 45s, 67s and etc., you do not create a balance in this situation so you are exploitable so technical players will take advantage of this take your chart to the detriment, or at least lose more than you lost before.
If you do not make volume of course, damn it, but damn it all in the real, even if you hit yours or not because you do not expose yourself to the game in a way to seek the least chance of winning, but if you wants to look at poker in a cool way, whether for professionalism or profitable hobby, understand that this type of concept is FUNDAMENTAL for your success.

Gradually I will write more for you here in the forum, I hope you like it,

Paulo Ap.Sp.R:p
 
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I'm also in to learn what this means.
 
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UTG is the best position in poker, thanks to her, you can make the best decision at the table thanks to other players. Learn at the poker school and play always in +
Good luck to you at the tables bro :)))
 
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GTO is a mathematical approach to the game. It's used by German poker players like Fedor Holtz winning high rollers, so it has to be a good approach to the game.
 
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GTO is real or myth?

I would like to discuss the theme of Game Theory Optimal? Are you familiar with this strategy? If you are familiar, how successful is it? Does she even have a right to exist in modern online poker?
 
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IMO, GTO is as everything in Poker an approach to play succesful. If there wasn't variance, it surely would be the best approach. But as we speak of Poker, nothing is 100%
For sure GTO is a good base to play a solid poker, but it will not take you above the horizon always.
 
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GTO is real ofcourse, but the very best players play mixture of both GTO and Exploititive, playing straight up GTO is while probably impossible it would also be exploitable by the very best players, so mixture of both i would say is the best way to go, from what ive seen alot of top pros agree and said that themselves aswell.
 
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While I was in my Weekly study group last week. We actually talked about this....

What is GTO? How do we use it? When do we use it? What's the diffrence between GTO and Exsploitive? Ect.

Anyways, our group leader summed it up the best I've heard so far. He said, "GTO is best used when playing against players that know how to play perfect poker. Think of GTO is the playing perfect poker against a Vil that is playing perfect poker. There is no real reason to use it unless you know the Vil is a profitable player/respected/and never shows any leaks in thier game.... everything else we are looking the play 'perfect poker' amd exspoliting thier leaks."
 
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The idea of "game theory optional" isn't useful to a lot of people, I believe there are two reasons for this.

1. It's far more profitable online and especially live to play exploitative and to focus on that part of your game.

2. GTO is useful for high end pros to know the "right" decision, but it's only a marginal aspect of their play.

GTO isn't useful because poker involves "too many ranges" (read as; a game of incomplete information) and at everything but high stakes a fairly "unpredictable" player base. It's unlike Chess where given perfect information about all the pieces of both players something like GTO becomes the "optimal" way to play.
 
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i dont know what is that, con anyone explain a little more?
 
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GTO is useful for high end pros to know the "right" decision, but it's only a marginal aspect of their play.
I agree with your words.
But I have a question, can anyone give me reliable material on the GTO
I heard heard, but there is nothing to apply))
 
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i dont know what is that, con anyone explain a little more?


The GTO can be defined as an optimal strategy against which the adversary, despite his adaptations, can not find a strategy that gives him a higher expectation of gain. it is like trying to mathematically find the best strategies against someone who uses the best strategy himself. if the perception of the opponent makes us think that he is better than us. a GTO application will allow us to gain the upper hand and counterbalance the superior skill of our opponent and enjoy a better success rate against him as well in bluffing than unmasking bluff. but personally I think that follow the theories of this game to the letter. notament (the Nash equilibrium) is not a very good strategy because to win poker is not enough to play balance.
 
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Where does the term GTO come from? There has to be a book out there people are referring to. I hear people talk about GTO often, but I have yet to hear anything in depth about it.
 
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While I was in my Weekly study group last week. We actually talked about this....

What is GTO? How do we use it? When do we use it? What's the diffrence between GTO and Exsploitive? Ect.

Anyways, our group leader summed it up the best I've heard so far. He said, "GTO is best used when playing against players that know how to play perfect poker. Think of GTO is the playing perfect poker against a Vil that is playing perfect poker. There is no real reason to use it unless you know the Vil is a profitable player/respected/and never shows any leaks in thier game.... everything else we are looking the play 'perfect poker' amd exspoliting thier leaks."


Yes, perfect poker - fundamental words! TY for your post

The idea of "game theory optional" isn't useful to a lot of people, I believe there are two reasons for this.

1. It's far more profitable online and especially live to play exploitative and to focus on that part of your game.

2. GTO is useful for high end pros to know the "right" decision, but it's only a marginal aspect of their play.

GTO isn't useful because poker involves "too many ranges" (read as; a game of incomplete information) and at everything but high stakes a fairly "unpredictable" player base. It's unlike Chess where given perfect information about all the pieces of both players something like GTO becomes the "optimal" way to play.

Agree with you. That's why I asked the question in the title of the topic. On the Internet, especially at low and medium limits, people play too much risky.
 
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You can't survive in higher stakes against top class professionals without GTO. But for a casual good online player who plays in lower limits I think he must exploit the weaker player.This is pure profit!
 
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So many misconceptions on what GTO is, so I'll do my best to clear it up because I don't think it's in this thread yet.

The EV of two poker players implementing GTO play in poker is zero. GTO play provides a baseline for optimal poker lines, and when your opponent deviates from those optimal lines, then you can exploit them for a positive EV gain. You wouldn't know how to exploit them to for the largest EV gains, if you didn't understand what the optimal theoretical line was. So essentially, nearly all poker players play exploitative poker, but the best players understand the theoretical best balance of their range and which lines to take in nearly all common situations.
 
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So many misconceptions on what GTO is, so I'll do my best to clear it up because I don't think it's in this thread yet.

The EV of two poker players implementing GTO play in poker is zero. GTO play provides a baseline for optimal poker lines, and when your opponent deviates from those optimal lines, then you can exploit them for a positive EV gain. You wouldn't know how to exploit them to for the largest EV gains, if you didn't understand what the optimal theoretical line was. So essentially, nearly all poker players play exploitative poker, but the best players understand the theoretical best balance of their range and which lines to take in nearly all common situations.

The theme of the GTO is really very interesting and ambiguous. I met her not so long ago, but my independent opinion is this: unfortunately it is in Internet poker that the GTO strategic are too unjustified, because the cards are not distributed by people, they are distributed by the computer. And many use it. I could be wrong and maybe I did not understand the GTO completely. I will study it further.
And thanks for your post. I did not expect to read a comment from the guru):rolleyes:
 
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So many misconceptions on what GTO is, so I'll do my best to clear it up because I don't think it's in this thread yet.

The EV of two poker players implementing GTO play in poker is zero. GTO play provides a baseline for optimal poker lines, and when your opponent deviates from those optimal lines, then you can exploit them for a positive EV gain. You wouldn't know how to exploit them to for the largest EV gains, if you didn't understand what the optimal theoretical line was. So essentially, nearly all poker players play exploitative poker, but the best players understand the theoretical best balance of their range and which lines to take in nearly all common situations.



Thanks for the basic explanation, I will have to look into it one day but first I have other aspects to learn. Though ive been plying for some years now im going to revisit and relearn good poker fundamentals. Especially as the game evolves.

ill learn GTO when im playing with the pros :D
 
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Thanks for the basic explanation, I will have to look into it one day but first I have other aspects to learn. Though ive been plying for some years now im going to revisit and relearn good poker fundamentals. Especially as the game evolves.

ill learn GTO when im playing with the pros :D

It's good to start learning even now. If you build a good foundation for your house, you'll reap the rewards even if you're not planning to build a mansion yet.
 
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Hi, GTO "theoretically optimal play" is a poker strategy. Based on the mathematical odds, playing this way it is achieved very good results. I hope I've helped.
 
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GAME THEORY OPTIMAL
GTO is the mathematical way to add skill BUT HAS LITTLE TO DO WITH MATH
that's LIKE SAYING POKER IS MATH YES AND NOOOOO.
GTO adds a new way to play the game by adding in impossible values to calculate dependent on each player we assume ranges and fold equity of their hands and assume how the player will respond.
In GTO we are constantly trying to outplay our opponents and that's often by exploiting a tendancy or action .
It often looks dumb and reckless but is absolutely backed by math when the correct opponent is chosen.
Just like regular poker except your opponent has a value.
example villain AA 3x bet
GTO any 2 calls 468
villain bets 1/2pot
GTO calls 468 9
villain bets 1/2 pot
GTO shoves all in
Villian folds% of time Villian calls % of time
GTO %any 2 hits GTO Villian folds%

Against the right opponents you can exploit them but is very heavy on the risk/rewards live by the sword die by the sword type of deal
This can make you look dum asf or an absolute Genius and allow you to steamroll and with some luck you'll look like freakin Jamie GOLD at the wsop
 
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So many misconceptions on what GTO is, so I'll do my best to clear it up because I don't think it's in this thread yet.

The EV of two poker players implementing GTO play in poker is zero. GTO play provides a baseline for optimal poker lines, and when your opponent deviates from those optimal lines, then you can exploit them for a positive EV gain. You wouldn't know how to exploit them to for the largest EV gains, if you didn't understand what the optimal theoretical line was. So essentially, nearly all poker players play exploitative poker, but the best players understand the theoretical best balance of their range and which lines to take in nearly all common situations.


isn't that the same definition for regular poker play?
I think nearly all players play a solid top ten strategy with semi bluffs tag lag etc. GTO does not require cards and is extremely difficult to implement and not become the sites donkey.
GTO also cannot be used constantly as your opponents will figure out your maniacal tendancys, but great for switching gears to get paid off.
Very few low stakes people play gto unless theyre donkeys already and don't know any better
 
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