GTO.....?

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Hi guys,

So I was just wondering if GTO poker strategy is better for tourney play or cash games or both.
 
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GTO is more of a theory as a whole. Personally I spend a lot of time understanding it and adapting it to my game. As for what type of game its better for, the answer would be both. cause with GTO the % of possible action is dictated but your holdings, compared to your opponents range. That is suggested by their previous actions, and showdown history (live), or VPIP and PR (online). Thus GTO will adapt your action % based off what your opponent could have.
 
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Thanks for the insight man. I'll do some extensive research on GTO and apply it accordingly.
GTO is more of a theory as a whole. Personally I spend a lot of time understanding it and adapting it to my game. As for what type of game its better for, the answer would be both. cause with GTO the % of possible action is dictated but your holdings, compared to your opponents range. That is suggested by their previous actions, and showdown history (live), or VPIP and PR (online). Thus GTO will adapt your action % based off what your opponent could have.
Question. So if a computer Bot used GTO, it would never lose?

Tried GTO method and it absolutely works! And when it doesn't I just switch things back to normal. Thanks for the thread.
 
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I beleive GTO is better for tournaments.
In tournaments you need to win a certain amount of hands without busting.
GTO is great for making these long runs.
In cash games they add a bit of range to your starting hands but I find it better for tournaments than cash games
 
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Without being able to prove it by math, I think the more you know about your opponents the more you can exploit them, and the less need for GTO. Information you use includes their tendencies, frequencies and tells live.

So live cash games and lower stakes cash games online I think it is least important.

That should lead to the conclusion: more important to use at least the basics of GTO in tournaments and high stakes cash.

It is also more important in HU, or a least you can apply it more directly there as a starting point.
 
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I think it's better to find your own style. Finding your poker style is like coming up with a new encryption method.
 
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To the extent you know what the GTO play is, sure make that your default approach. In a lot of spots though, it's tough to say what's GTO. For example, if I'm playing a GTO strategy with 30bb on the button in a full ring game, am I supposed to open-limp at all?

Where you do know what the GTO line is, you can also do better if you can make correct exploitive adjustments (particularly against weak players who make significant mistakes). As an example, if you bluff the river with GTO frequency versus a maniac who never folds, you'll still get the better of him. But you can improve your results in this extreme case by only value betting and never bluffing.
 
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I would define GTO as a baseline for your poker. The goal is to exploit others so you can't just rely on GTO if you want to make some big bucks :p
 
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I think we can apply GTO when we think the villain will perhaps exploit us, by his skillful over us or because we dont have information enough to exploit him. Like this, we will earn chips depending on how unbalanced he plays, if he doesn't play wrong, he just be able to tie in the long run.
 
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To the extent you know what the GTO play is, sure make that your default approach. In a lot of spots though, it's tough to say what's GTO. For example, if I'm playing a GTO strategy with 30bb on the button in a full ring game, am I supposed to open-limp at all?


Where you do know what the GTO line is, you can also do better if you can make correct exploitive adjustments (particularly against weak players who make significant mistakes). As an example, if you bluff the river with GTO frequency versus a maniac who never folds, you'll still get the better of him. But you can improve your results in this extreme case by only value betting and never bluffing.

I agree completely. I think, the most important concept is, that against most opponents we need to be reasonably well balanced in all situations. We cant for instance have one raise size preflop, we only use with aces or kings, another one for our baby pairs, and then a third one for the rest of our range. It need to always be, so that our opponent cant put us on just one single type of hands.

And likewise when we are facing aggression, we need to avoid having spots, where we always call, or where we always fold, especially against players who are really good or really bad, because we have less chance of knowing, what they are doing.

So instead we need to call with the top of our range, so that we are calling enough of the time. In GTO language follow our "minimum defense frequenzy". In traditional live poker language "He is representing a monster, but my hand is just to good to fold" - "nice hand sir" (muck his cards).
 
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Where i can find the best samples of using GTO? With mathematical formulas and explanations.
 
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Where i can find the best samples of using GTO? With mathematical formulas and explanations.

Study solvers.


If you want books, no book can for natural reasons be perfect - but a few are mentioned as a start to GTO play on several forums:

1. Expert Heads Up No Limit Hold'em by Will Tipton (two books) .

2. Applications of NLH and No-Limit Hold em for Advanced Players, Emphasis on Tough Games by Matthew Janda.

3. The Mathematics of Poker by Chen & Ankeman (old).
 
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