Group study review - imwatcher

50NL 6max 4 tables:-

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Downloading now, will watch and comment soon.

Was able to dl it this morning after repeated fails yesterday.

I did not notice anything I would call a value bet in any of these hands.

At the 22+ minute area, you get KQo in the BB with a ep raise and a call, Classic situation for a squeeze, but I think your raise was too small for a classic squeeze. Personally I would have just called, creating a family pot, saw the flop, and re-evaluated, but then I don't play that level (BI wise) and have no experience. When you got 3bet, you folded.....still worth a call IMHO....

Why not create and see the family pot there, and then why a total wimp out to the re-raise?

I think the sizing is right, its not a full pot bet obv but its not like he made it 6$. I think it is fine there.

KQo oop is also not going to be playing very well here when we get 4 bet, even when he did it so small. We can almost never call a 4 bet here from someone who is definitely a nitty tag. Definitely a fold here.
I think we should almost always 3 bet squeeze here (although I would someone who raises a bit more preflop) but its harder to play it oop against 3 other ppl.

Marginal said:

I think the sizing is right, its not a full pot bet obv but its not like he made it 6$. I think it is fine there.

KQo oop is also not going to be playing very well here when we get 4 bet, even when he did it so small. We can almost never call a 4 bet here from someone who is definitely a nitty tag. Definitely a fold here.
I think we should almost always 3 bet squeeze here (although I would someone who raises a bit more preflop) but its harder to play it oop against 3 other ppl.

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If however, hero does only flats there, he gets to see a bloated pot and flop for cheap with a pretty decent hand. Agree with the oop issues, but how much of a nitty tag is villain here. 17% VPIP at a 6 max is indeed pretty nitty, but that is close to the average win rate if no one bets. So his range has to include almost all pp's, sc's above 8ish,....and most broadway, and those hands are in his range purely because they have to be. If he is just waiting for large pairs, his VPIP is gonna be below 10.

I think the flat and see would have been a better move. But then, I don't play these levels, and this is a learning experience for me.....

I watched, but while at work and didn't watch closely at all.

But your cbet % is 100 on all tables, and there were a couple situations where I questioned your postflop aggression being too high. Sorry I didn't note them, but one might have been where you had 99 and I thought getting a small pot to showdown as a better option, even though the guy had like 1/2 a stack. But in casual watching I thought preflop was fine, postflop a little aggro/unable to give up.

Hey bud, nice vid.

There were 2 spots that I don't think have been discussed that I would have played differently, so let me know what you think about these thoughts:

At 5:35 the KK hand; I am conflicted about this one, while i don't always like to see the river, I also like collecting as much fatness as possible; the board was 2 to a club flush; and villain may have had draws there, but I somewhat doubt it, maybe Ax, smaller PP's (possible set mine scenario) AJ; AQ maybe. It is somewhat of a tricky one because we want to get max value; a 2/3 pot size bet maybe he calls, but I think it was fine to shove there.

AT 7:26 JTo the villain there PFR 3xbb; his stats 31/15; i like 3 betting here, w/ your image (15/8) and in the SB, the villain was 200bbs deep and prob. won't be screwin about, i would 3bet to like 4.50, and then adjust on the flop. J10, flops decent and puts some good blockers in. he also had a huge fcbet.

dj11 said:

If however, hero does only flats there, he gets to see a bloated pot and flop for cheap with a pretty decent hand. Agree with the oop issues, but how much of a nitty tag is villain here. 17% VPIP at a 6 max is indeed pretty nitty, but that is close to the average win rate if no one bets. So his range has to include almost all pp's, sc's above 8ish,....and most broadway, and those hands are in his range purely because they have to be. If he is just waiting for large pairs, his VPIP is gonna be below 10.

I think the flat and see would have been a better move. But then, I don't play these levels, and this is a learning experience for me.....

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DJ he 4 bet us, he 4 bet us. His range is strong and is crushing KQ and then we are also out of position so that makes it worse.

DJ calling a 4b there is suicide lol, there are close to 0 flops we actually like, something like Q52 SUCKS, something like K52 SUCKS but we are going to struggle to fold on them, so not only is calling spewing preflop but is going to make us likely to spew postflop... also with calling pre, KQ is a pretty dominated hand and its going to be hard for us to end much +ev oop (while im sure we would be slightly be +ev calling) I think squeezing puts the nitty guy in a terrible spot, while the other two are basically never calling if the nitty guy folds, I think without the fact that the two callers in between are regs (if they were 50/10 instead) calling would be beter as they are more likely to call 3bets, and play worse to us post flop.

dj11 said:

If however, hero does only flats there, he gets to see a bloated pot and flop for cheap with a pretty decent hand. Agree with the oop issues, but how much of a nitty tag is villain here. 17% VPIP at a 6 max is indeed pretty nitty, but that is close to the average win rate if no one bets. So his range has to include almost all pp's, sc's above 8ish,....and most broadway, and those hands are in his range purely because they have to be. If he is just waiting for large pairs, his VPIP is gonna be below 10.

I think the flat and see would have been a better move. But then, I don't play these levels, and this is a learning experience for me.....

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So he's always 4-betting us there with his entire opening range?