Got beat with KK. Did I do the right thing?

Hello All,
I took a bad beating today with KK starting hands. I was in late position and did raise pre-flop by 4BB, two people started limping. We flopped three diamonds and I had the king of diamonds. one player went all in the other folded. I struggled with the dicisio of folding or calling for a while but given that I probably had the strongest pair with the prospect of drawing a flush decided to call. Turn and River were inconsequential but it was revealed that my opponent had two 3s and completed a set with a flop with showed a 3d as well.
It definitely was hard to digest this loss but what I really need to know is if I played correctly or not. I can live with it if my strategy was right but the situation just unfortunate.
All replies are highly appreciated.
Rob

ESS, cash/tournament, not sure of action but are you saying you raised 4bb and got 2 callers or 2 limpers were in front of you and you made some min raise or something???

Too little info.

Stack sizes, timeline of play and history would help.

All in all, depending on stack sizes, this is a fold to an all-in. You are overplaying a pair. Sure, you have the 2nd nut flush IF another diamond comes, but it's very possible someone has the Ace(I could see it being with the guy that shoved), not to mention that even if you hit the flush, you could get beat on the river by ten cards boating or quading someone who had 2 pair or a set on the flop.

def need more table info but just curious, since you were last to act, did anyone else call the all-in? how was their stack compared to yours? Im guilty that i would make that call more times than not but im not that good lol

Why would you play a trash hand like KK?

pokerninja said:

Hello All,
I took a bad beating today with KK starting hands. I was in late position and did raise pre-flop by 4BB, two people started limping. We flopped three diamonds and I had the king of diamonds. one player went all in the other folded. I struggled with the dicisio of folding or calling for a while but given that I probably had the strongest pair with the prospect of drawing a flush decided to call. Turn and River were inconsequential but it was revealed that my opponent had two 3s and completed a set with a flop with showed a 3d as well.
It definitely was hard to digest this loss but what I really need to know is if I played correctly or not. I can live with it if my strategy was right but the situation just unfortunate.
All replies are highly appreciated.
Rob

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Well if you raised 4x and two people called then they wouldn't be limping. If flop comes as you described and someone shoves on it then I would probably fold the overpair.

frozensprx said:

Well if you raised 4x and two people called then they wouldn't be limping. If flop comes as you described and someone shoves on it then I would probably fold the overpair.

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ohhhh...i change my answer to what he said lol

Yet another bad beat...

Hi all,
Thank you for your replies. I don't recall all the other specifics some of you asked for, but I think the general consensus and my own gut instinct at the time dictates that I should have folded given that the villain was not insane.
Now I got another bad beat today, I know I should probably hang it up until I know WTF I am doing but it's too addictive.
Please forgive me if I don't have all the detail but I am looking more for a general rule of thumb:
I had AK and raised 2bb from mid position. All folded but the villain.
Flop comes out: KhQdJd. I raise 8bb, villain calls
Turn is 9d, I raise 12, villain re raises 24 I call.
River is Ah, I check , villain goes all In and I call he shows A10.
So he had made his straight at the flop and I still called the all-in with him having a crack at the flush.
Was it wrong of me to hang on to the pot? Should my first raise been much higher than 2bb in the hopes that he would have folded with the A10 which is not the greatest hand after all?
And in more generally, is it wise to go by the rule of: If you are not convinced you have 100% the better hand don't call an 'All-in'?
I am digging myself into the whole pretty quickly here, so all replies are highly appreciated.
Cheers,
Rob

pokerninja said:

Hi all,
Thank you for your replies. I don't recall all the other specifics some of you asked for, but I think the general consensus and my own gut instinct at the time dictates that I should have folded given that the villain was not insane.
Now I got another bad beat today, I know I should probably hang it up until I know WTF I am doing but it's too addictive.
Please forgive me if I don't have all the detail but I am looking more for a general rule of thumb:
I had AK and raised 2bb from mid position. All folded but the villain.
Flop comes out: KhQdJd. I raise 8bb, villain calls
Turn is 9d, I raise 12, villain re raises 24 I call.
River is Ah, I check , villain goes all In and I call he shows A10.
So he had made his straight at the flop and I still called the all-in with him having a crack at the flush.
Was it wrong of me to hang on to the pot? Should my first raise been much higher than 2bb in the hopes that he would have folded with the A10 which is not the greatest hand after all?
And in more generally, is it wise to go by the rule of: If you are not convinced you have 100% the better hand don't call an 'All-in'?
I am digging myself into the whole pretty quickly here, so all replies are highly appreciated.
Cheers,
Rob

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You just need to learn proper betting here. A 2BB raise is too small preflop except in special situations and won't really accomplish anything, 2.5 is the smallest I go, but most likely 3 if you're looking for folds and/or value.

On the flop, we know the pot is somewhere between 4.5 and 5.5BB(you never gave villains position to know if he was in the blinds and had already contributed or not). Regardless, you overbet the pot... once again something that is rarely done, and when I see it, it screams fish(sorry). You should be betting around half pot here, mostly as a probe. This flop is loaded, and it's very likely you're not on top. When he calls your bet, it's pretty much shutdown time unless a 10 comes. The rest of the hand, well, you pretty much called it yourself, it was bad. Shouldn't have made the bet, shouldn't have called the raise, and DEFINITELY shouldn't have called the ALL-IN. You got too caught up in top pair again.