Going in with crap when lots of people are in with royal cards?

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Pot odds calculator of AK vs. AK vs. 24
is that 24 is the leader.

I assume this is b/c both AK's have the other guy holding their outs.
So, the 24 has higher odds of pairing (plus a slight straight possibility)

Do you expand this to a situation where many people are in before you?
They may all have royal cards, giving your junk better odds,
AND you have very good pot equity with many people in.

Any other general ideas about this concept?
 
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Its a good way to look at a hand pre/post flop,
if you know someones raising range from early/middle position is Ace-broad big pairs etc

I have stacked alot of players middle to late in a tournament having played tight for a few hours I then call then with a hand like 78 and a low flop comes,

a good opponent knows your range wont be low, only this time it is! They dont believe you on the turn and shove all in with AK/AK expecting a fold.

also what you say about pot odds, speculative hands have great implied odds in a raise called pot if players apparent calling range would be broadways and better etc 'i wont go into the math today' lol.
 
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Well, but your equity falls down rapidly when it turns out that somebody in front of you is holding a pair, since you're in a very bad shape with two undercards vs pair. If all your opponets really hold royal cards while not having them paired, holding each others outs, it might even wouldn't be a bad idea to get in with a crap. You could possibly get the odds you need. But how often will this happen and mainly, how can you know that?.. :) You usually know for sure that second player going all-in is holding a solid hand. But you probably never know if it's AK or QQ in each particular case.
 
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I agree, this is why I stay away from this situation, and just always fold junk.
However, if given crazy good pot odds, maybe it's worth playing these once in a while. See the flop, and if you have top crap pair, bet into it, esp. if you are in LATE position, right?

Time to pay more attention when the dealer chip is near and you are late in position.
 
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I agree, this is why I stay away from this situation, and just always fold junk.
However, if given crazy good pot odds, maybe it's worth playing these once in a while. See the flop, and if you have top crap pair, bet into it, esp. if you are in LATE position, right?

Time to pay more attention when the dealer chip is near and you are late in position.

Kind of sounds like a good recipe to get yourself in troubles. You know, you hit crappy TP and what now, you're in a multi way pot and very likely not holding a best hand. But yeah, your're right about calling with irresistible odds ip. After all, anything can fall down on the flop and it's always cool to hit nuts with something like 24o, isn't it? :)
 
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great approach but only if is true the 4 villains have AK and one has 2-4

but the true is if they were 4 villains showing strength one will get hands like TT, JJ, QQ, KK, AA and probably AK or AQ but then calculate one chances to beat monsters like that with a hand like 2-4,

actually 2 and 4 are so bad cards to play that i´ve seen several times players entering the pot with low pairs and losing against any two just because the board bring two pairs

so for me, i would never pay a raise with such a marginal hand, actually i doubt i´ll ever limp with a hand like that
 
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