going all in with a flush draw

I was playing at my local casino the other night and was on the FT, I had passed my hand after a flop with 2 hearts on it didn't connect, the player next to me in LP went all in, the rest of the players folded he showed a flush draw Ah 8h. Now if he had been called and missed he would have lost a considerable amount. The reason I ask this is I did exactly the same a few weeks ago and asked if i did the right thing on this forum, one response was to check and see a cheap card if no one bet, so it was exactly the opposite of what this guy and indeed myself did I did get called but lost. What are the advantages of this play is it some form of semi-bluff in the hope of hitting? Or do they want to take the pot down there and then, he was the chip leader at the time...thanks once again guys I have made more FT's just recently and I find it no coincidence that it corresponds with me asking ?'s on this site

In the long run it will be more effective to see the turn/river as cheap as possible.

Even with the nuts-flush draw you are dog to nearly all made hands.

(exept to a pair lower than your kicker where you are slightly favourite)

We want to bring our money in when we are favourite, don't we ?

grafkarow said:

In the long run it will be more effective to see the turn/river as cheap as possible.

Even with the nuts-flush draw you are dog to nearly all made hands.

(exept to a pair lower than your kicker where you are slightly favourite)

We want to bring our money in when we are favourite, don't we ?

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Great advice grafkarow and that's what I'll do and have been doing recently when would you recommend this play? Or would you never do this?

I might do it on a combined flush/straight draw but even then I'd rather keep it cheap.

Well an allin raise with a flush draw going can be good or bad. The main advantage of this move in a cash game would be that people would not expect the flush. If your betting for a flush draw, and it hits, you can go check reraise or whatever you want to do, cause most likely you have the game won already, and If your not called well you won the money right there, no risk. But this works only when you raise a certain amount, cause If you go allin, you don't have that margine after, and Id prefer the margine cause then you can fold if you dont catch, and most likely youll get some chips, who knows maybe even more from more players calling. Thats how you should play the flush in a cash game. But in a tourny the circumstances are different cause the blinds are going up and you need to be a bit more aggressive so I wouldn't say that the guy did a bad play cause I don't know the circumstances exactly.

Stack Sizes, players reads can change the answer to yes or no.

Extreme example - if the pot is 100.00 and person shoved 1000.00 in on the flush draw, that is a mistake.

If the pot is $150.00 and the villian shoved 10.00 it is not a mistake. Why he only has 10.00 behind is certainly debatable it is not relevant to the example.

At a passive, limp-fest FT that is an appropriate play in my opinion. You want to keep accumulating chips as the blinds go up and put space between you as the chipleader and the rest of the table. However, a pot-sized bet would probably accomplish the same task and be less risky IMO, because any hand you get called by to a pot-size bet at that point in the tournament would probably call an all-in bet also. Smaller bet=same result. Also from my play-style i'm a much more aggresive player in the late stages of a tournament. Just my opinion

with a flush draw and an over you got as many as 12 outs. w/12 outs your around 50/50 to a pair. now being LP and no one bet the chances of 2 pair and set go way down. as if they had 2 pair or set a good player would most likely bet as there's a flush draw out there. i would say the A8s here is most likely ahead and not likely to get value for the hand if you do hit your flush. so i think the best EV play here is to bet but shoving allin may be overkill pending on the size of the pot. but if a good size bet was going to commit him anyway the shove may be the best play IMO. i think the folding equity you gain by betting is better than taking the free card.

naybe but need the odds to do it

The odds you need ar 4.22 to 1 most think its 4 to 1 but thats usually close enough for most.

The chances of hitting the flush on the Turn or River are around 36% so in the long run you would lose if you went all in and got called, assuming the other guy has got a hand.

I had the nut flush and went all-in with all spades on the flop. I was called because the villian had a set of Q's the board paired and he got a full house.

The question is highly situational. Depends on pot size before the all-in (is it worth winning now or is it too small), players in the pot, strength shown (will see other cards cheaply), and generally what your other outs are. A8s is not so good if you're called unless you've already hit an 8 on the flop or have a straight draw as well.

As has been said, definately check behind if you can as the flush draw is always a dog to a made hand. However if you are fairly short, especially in tourneys, shoving can be an effective strategy as it can win the pot in two ways, fold and making the hand. In a cash game if your deep i wouldn't recommend it.

I can't see the odds any better than 30% to hit the flush. I would like to see cards as cheap as possible and have the out to fold on a big raise.