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I'm hoping you can complete the following for me.

Ranging from 10NL to 200NL in FR, what would be considered firstly beating the limit consistently then and what would be considered crushing the limit. Taking the following into consideration:
hands
BB/100
VPIP
PFR
AGF

EG.

10NL: 50,000hands @ 6BB/100 & 18/16/5= beating
10NL: 50,000hands @ 9BB/100 & 15/14/5= crushing


Hopefully you can see where I'm going with this?

Obviously I'd only like to be answered from those of you who have actually "been there and done that". You don't have to be playing 200NL atm,even if you started at 10NL and are currently playing 50NL that's fine.

Many thanks
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Well FR usually stands for freeroll, but I'm guessing that isn't what YOU mean by FR. ;)
 
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I'm not quite following where you're trying to go, custo.

Style doesn't necessarily equate with "crushing", imo. Crushing comes from BB/100 regardless of whether you're playing TAG, SLAG or LAG. Depending on the site, the table and the cards, the style can be adapted. For instance, I find the European sites looser so a tighter but still aggressive style works better whereas at the lower levels of Stars I don't think you need be quite as tight.
 
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I'm not quite following where you're trying to go, custo.

Style doesn't necessarily equate with "crushing", imo. Crushing comes from BB/100 regardless of whether you're playing TAG, SLAG or LAG. Depending on the site, the table and the cards, the style can be adapted. For instance, I find the European sites looser so a tighter but still aggressive style works better whereas at the lower levels of Stars I don't think you need be quite as tight.
yeah,this. VP,PFR ect has nothing to do with beating a limits,just BB/100.
Just because your play 18/16/2 or w/e doesnt mean your a winning player or like wise a 42/2/inf that your a losing player.
I think i saw in the montly chat thread they where talking about a winning 200NL reg that plays a 20/5 prf game.

Stats are good to spot possible leaks but they shouldnt be something your aiming for(like not calling a raise when its the most ev+ move just cause it will mess with your stats:p ),only think you should be aiming for is playing winning poker regardless if that means a 93/78 or 1/1 game...
 
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yeah,this. VP,PFR ect has nothing to do with beating a limits,just BB/100.
Just because your play 18/16/2 or w/e doesnt mean your a winning player or like wise a 42/2/inf that your a losing player.
I think i saw in the montly chat thread they where talking about a winning 200NL reg that plays a 20/5 prf game.

Stats are good to spot possible leaks but they shouldnt be something your aiming for(like not calling a raise when its the most ev+ move just cause it will mess with your stats:p ),only think you should be aiming for is playing winning poker regardless if that means a 93/78 or 1/1 game...

I'm not quite following where you're trying to go, custo.

Style doesn't necessarily equate with "crushing", imo. Crushing comes from BB/100 regardless of whether you're playing TAG, SLAG or LAG. Depending on the site, the table and the cards, the style can be adapted. For instance, I find the European sites looser so a tighter but still aggressive style works better whereas at the lower levels of Stars I don't think you need be quite as tight.

Ok guys, if VPIP/PFR/AGF isnt that relevant thats cool. I'm still trying to get my head around all of this.

So in respect to my original question. What BB/100 is considered good long term at limits from 10NL to 200NL. I'm already assuming the BB/100 would decrease as a player increases in limits?

sorry to confuse anyone, i'm just trying to get a basic understanding that if I'm personally achieving x BB/100 then I'm doing well.
 
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I'm slightly out of your target area and i know that you passed through 5nl fairly rapidly, and i think, dare i say it, you might have been on a little heater there at some point, but you passed through and built the roll and thats all that matters. But my stats for 5nl are over 15000 hands i would consider i'm 'beating' it for 4.89BB/100 , i've read somewhere that around 5BB/100 is good in NL, online anyways, live it's like 1BB per hour is a good winrate.

I was quite disheartened when you went through 5nl like a freight train but in a way it was good for me b/c i read up on winrate's and discovered that my 4.89/100 was a good rate to be playing at so i just had to have a little patience and i would be where you are in my own sweet time lol :D

Hows 10nl anyways?? I'm up to $207 now, only $43 and i'll be movin on up there with you!
 
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I'm slightly out of your target area and i know that you passed through 5nl fairly rapidly, and i think, dare i say it, you might have been on a little heater there at some point, but you passed through and built the roll and thats all that matters. But my stats for 5nl are over 15000 hands i would consider i'm 'beating' it for 4.89BB/100 , i've read somewhere that around 5BB/100 is good in NL, online anyways, live it's like 1BB per hour is a good winrate.

I was quite disheartened when you went through 5nl like a freight train but in a way it was good for me b/c i read up on winrate's and discovered that my 4.89/100 was a good rate to be playing at so i just had to have a little patience and i would be where you are in my own sweet time lol :D

Hows 10nl anyways?? I'm up to $207 now, only $43 and i'll be movin on up there with you!

Mate, I don't know what happened to me @ 5NL but I loved it.

10NL on the other hand I'm in some serious trouble. I started real well but unfortunately I'm currently 1.43 BB/100 after 6187 hands and really starting to get worried about it tbh.

Glad to hear you are doing better and best of luck getting too 10NL, I'm sure you'll be there in no time at that rate
 
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Ok guys, if VPIP/PFR/AGF isnt that relevant thats cool. I'm still trying to get my head around all of this.

So in respect to my original question. What BB/100 is considered good long term at limits from 10NL to 200NL. I'm already assuming the BB/100 would decrease as a player increases in limits?

sorry to confuse anyone, i'm just trying to get a basic understanding that if I'm personally achieving x BB/100 then I'm doing well.

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I've seen this asked before and the answer was its $/hr that's important. You might be able to beat a level for 15ptbb/100 2 tabling but be better off 12 tabling at 5ptbb/100. You can always check tableratings or w/e to see what rate the best players at each limit are winning at.
 
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I've seen this asked before and the answer was its $/hr that's important. You might be able to beat a level for 15ptbb/100 2 tabling but be better off 12 tabling at 5ptbb/100. You can always check tableratings or w/e to see what rate the best players at each limit are winning at.

Checking tableratings is probably a damn good idea, get the facts from the source I suppose.

Thank you D'willus
 
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