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Full Ring Games at Carbon

Got a question. Is there any successful ring game players here that play them at Carbon? If so I seriously need some advice. I'm playing at 10NL and doing poorly. I don't take but $4 to the table and it don't take long for me to lose that, and I'm not playing any different than I do any where else. Should I go down to $5nl until I get used to the site? The way it's going, don't even know if I want to play ring games there at all. You all let me know
 
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Simple advice, don't short stack on a cash table. If you only want to bring 4$ to the table then play the 4nl tables where the 4$ will be 100bb.

I havn't played fr tables there, only 6max and they can be very juicy at times.
 
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Ok man thanks for the advice. Don't know why there I only took $4 to the table anyway, because I'm one player that likes to have as much or more than other players. But anyway I did go down to the $4 nl and done pretty good. At least I won back what I had just lost at $10 nl. Going to stay there awhile untill I get used to the site. I've played there before and that was before I learned a lot for you all. And believe me it didn't take long for me to lose my deposit. I'm not going out like that again on no site. Thats why I give so much thanks here and other places.
 
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there is nothing bad or good with how much you bring on the table, but there is bad or good , what strategy you want to choose.

bring 4 or 5 is both OK on carbon cash table, NL10 level, depends on you want to play shorts stack strategy, or other strategy.

PS: I would be prefer to bring in as less as possible on cash table, for the reason that, the chips on table is easier to be added than to be subtract.

like your question, bring 4 bux on NL10, if you feel you want to add , just add 1bux to the original chip stack make it into 5.
 
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Simple advice, don't short stack on a cash table. If you only want to bring 4$ to the table then play the 4nl tables where the 4$ will be 100bb.

I havn't played fr tables there, only 6max and they can be very juicy at times.

just want to say
If I am playing SSS VS your BSS
your big stack strategy is totally crushed by mine.

even you have big stack , it does nothing.
you will turned to SSS VS my stack in ring table always, just because of the effective stack size.:D
 
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just want to say
If I am playing SSS VS your BSS
your big stack strategy is totally crushed by mine.

even you have big stack , it does nothing.
you will turned to SSS VS my stack in ring table always, just because of the effective stack size.:D

doesn't mean as a full stack (it's not big, its the normal buyin) I can't adjust to your your sss .... but as a ss can you buy in full and still crush a 100bb strategy? If you can then you are seriously losing money to be buying in short...that's all its a lose of ev to be buyin in short if you feel you have an edge on the competition and if you don't feel you have an edge then play at a lower limit....a short stack strategy can be profitable but no where near as profitable as a 100bb buyin or if available a deeper buyin.
 
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Thanks for the advice you all. I just want to play where I don't take chances losing a lot of my BR. Just going to take it easy and play some low buy in MTT. and $4 nl. Probably 3 or 4 months ago I would have lost it all, but you all have taught me a lot, and these days I win more than lose. That's what it's about right.
 
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doesn't mean as a full stack (it's not big, its the normal buyin) I can't adjust to your your sss .... but as a ss can you buy in full and still crush a 100bb strategy? If you can then you are seriously losing money to be buying in short...that's all its a lose of ev to be buyin in short if you feel you have an edge on the competition and if you don't feel you have an edge then play at a lower limit....a short stack strategy can be profitable but no where near as profitable as a 100bb buyin or if available a deeper buyin.

the meaning is if I am using short stack strategy to play with your 100BB full buyin.

if you don't want to lose money, you have to turn into short stack strategy , this is for sure.
regardless of skill. If you call Phil Ivey , if he is using Big stack strategy VS shortstack strategy at any cash table, Phil Ivey is losing money this is for sure.

simply because the equity there.

there is no losing potential EV for load shortstack. example, if you want to using 20BB stack , just play 5 tables at same time the EV is the same when you play 100BB one tabled. the effective stack in play are the same for this two occasions.
and one more advantage for shortstack is ...
shortstack is easy to multi-tabling

you may open 9 big stack table, but I am easy to play 48 tables with several poker rooms using shortstack and still feel easy to add about 10-12 tables and playing comfortable. :D think playing 60 table is still very comfortable for shortstack cash strategy but it is trouble for big stack strategy on 12 tables.
 
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Been playing ring games today, because I may have to go any minute. My son is at the ER. He fell and busted his knee. Anyway doing good in those too. It's not much though because of the level I play, but every bit counts right?
 
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Been playing ring games today, because I may have to go any minute. My son is at the ER. He fell and busted his knee. Anyway doing good in those too. It's not much though because of the level I play, but every bit counts right?
Hoping your son is ok and your Cash Game too.

I seldom play the cash games, but I think that is where you could more often have a positive outcome if you could better understand how to play well :)
 
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Trouble at Carbon with ring games

I've asked for advice on this subject here before. Since my 2nd place win awhile back at Carbon's $600 GTD I have tried several way to build my BR. I've played some small field and small buy in's with no luck there. I've tried some of the larger MTT with no luck there. But what gets me the most is that I can't do anything in their ring games. And believe me, I can hold my own at other sites I play at. But Carbon seems to be way out of my league. What do I need to be doing to build this BR?
 
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To tell you the truth bullishwwd, I'm not doing good at anything right now. On a downswing and catching a lot of 2nd best, which cost a lot when you think you have the hand won.
 
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honestly, I think it is not good to play poker until your child is better and not have any personal problems that may affect emotionally. to play poker is not required to have fewer negative emotions and
 
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honestly, I think it is not good to play poker until your child is better and not have any personal problems that may affect emotionally. to play poker is not required to have fewer negative emotions and

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Carbon Ring Games

I been talking on here about how hard it is to win anything in Carbon's full ring games. Up until yesterday, it has been down down for me. But yesterday I sit in them twice during the day, and both times doubled my buy in. Does anyone else experience this? But I understand about variance and I experience it at all my sites from day to day. Right now I'm having bad down swing at FF, so I have not been playing there very much. At ACR I'm winning something everyday. Seems crazy to me.
 
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Try not to play short stacked. You put yourself in shove fold situations which a lot of new players don't know how to take advantage of.

With 40bb, you can't flat pocket pairs or suited connectors profitably. You should really be 3 betting or folding a good chunk of your normally playable hands.
 
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Yeah I finally learned that, so now I take 100BBs to the tables. Really Carbon is no different than any other site. I have learned to wait for the good hands, but still not put a lot into it, becauese cards just don't fall like we want them to. I'm not talking about PPs. I do put some in the pot with them. I can't talk like a lot of you all about this, so hope you can understand what I'm saying.
 
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I play on Carbon as well. No matter what you're playing cash games, SnGs, MTTs. TAKE NOTES!

Take notes of all the players hand ranges, how often are they 3 betting, are they folding to c-bets constantly. Are they McBluffers that can't stop bluffing. I've played on the $4.00 cash games at Carbon and some of the people there love to BS and bluff a LOT with garbage hands. I took notes of that. Eventually they busted out and lost their stacks, but just be observant of that.

Use good table selection. If you are trying to preserve your bankroll don't go and sit down with the guy that has a $12 stack and is sitting with 3 other poker regs that also have $7-8 stacks. Go find a table that has people going to showdown with crappy hands and constantly chatting about nonsense. That's who you want to play heads up with.

I know I'm stating some obvious facts, but I can't stress how important it is to take advantage of Carbon's note system. Being able to narrow down your villain's hand range will save you money & earn you money in the long term.
 
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Thanks I have noticed some of the players always raising and most players will fold. But sometimes I go over the top of them and they fold. But I do it with a hand I can stand a call with. I don't mind sitting with players that have a big stack, because I have noticed also that they will try to take pots just because they have a big stack, therefore, I can pick up some change with my good hands.
 
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When you're in dealer position you should be raising with some trash hands too if the small/BB players are nit tight. If they 3 bet you it's an easy fold, but if they call... just fire another barrel if they check the flop, usually the passive players will fold to another barrel.

If you're only raising your good hands, they're going to know you have a solid hand and you will constantly be winning only small minimum pots.
 
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