Are freeroll players morons or is their ATC play correct?

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I just finished a freeroll ..I violated by personal rule of never calling a preflop shove at the beginning of a tournament. On the 3rd round I open-raised KQs 3BB from middle-position, all folded except the small-blind who shoved 63 (!!). I called, and of course he paired his six on the flop, and I was done.

I've noticed lower-stakes ATC players do REALLY well, which leads me to question all poker advice I've ever read.
 
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In a cash game it's different.
 
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for every ATC player doing well, there are 3-4 who bust early because they were called by better and didn't suckout. It's just the one doing well is far more noticeable because he stays around longer and pisses more people off by having his stupidity be rewarded.

So they really are morons. It's just a certain percent every game gets lucky and become successful morons :)
 
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Any time you put your life at a tournament in ATC, you're not playing good poker. The bigger the stack you put on the line pre flop ATC, the bigger the mistake.

I don't particularly like the call with KQ either, you are never in that great shape with KQ, unless you are running against Kx. For instance you are 2-1 against 63. I don't want to put my tournament life early on that odds, not even on a freeroll. I'd much rather race with 66-99 early in a freeroll, than a hand like KQ (a lot of time you won't even have two live cards on all in pre flop situations).
 
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You have to think of it this way BDC, freerolls are free, hence the name. So more often than not you are going to have players who dont have any bankroll playing these in hopes of earning $5 to start playing with. And I am not trying to sound rude, But more times than not, The players who do not have a bank roll, Tend to have very little to no experience. And with having little experience, Comes Little skill. So I hope this helps you out a little and good luck.
 
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if you have to ask if freerolls are full of morons then you may be naive or even a moron yourself, especially the freerolls with lots of players.

Conservative estimate probably at least 50% are :)
 
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Honestly it's easier you win playing playing with real money that freerolls. As well as have thousands of players have people who are not even there it will win, bet by bet. I would advise not enter the influence of these jogaradores but anger, ohhh from the.
 
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I always assume that my opponent in a freeroll is gambling if they go all in early in a tournament and I only play premium hands (AA< KK< QQ). I don't start playing poker until about a third are eliminated. Also, it's a freeroll.... don't stress out over the silly bad beats
 
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Poker is a game that is governed by the rules of mathematics and probability so no. They might get lucky in the short term but they will never win in the long term which is what matters.

More importantly though, you can't really learn anything while playing for fake chips. As long as you understand the rules of the game I would suggest playing for real money whether online or in a casino.
 
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I made it 59 hands through a freeroll by shoving ATC.

People will troll in freerolls like me because... there's no money on the line. Only thing I'm wasting is my time.
 
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I play a lot of freerolls and yes you have a lot of people shoving. They may last a while but usually are out by midway through the tournament.
 
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I play a lot of freerolls and yes you have a lot of people shoving. They may last a while but usually are out by midway through the tournament.

in freerolls has many call 3bet 4bet with nothing and shoving, many bad bet
 
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I'm playing freerolls and it's hard because there are a lot of morons players, but after an hour the remain players are very good
 
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Depends on what their goal is, if they have one. Most of the time I will play seriously, however there are times when I go with the theory of double up early, or bust out since it does not cost anything. I will only ever do that in freerolls that the site runs that have more people.
 
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Yeah those On Demand freerolls on Winning Poker Network, you can just shove any decent hand and someone will play bingo and call to try and double up early.
 
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63 were suited? It's no wonder - very strong hand (by fishes opinion)).
 
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This is a good question upon which to base ones consideration of the issue of probability, which, let's face it, is what poker is all about.

The chances of ATC winning a hand that is all in pre flop is not too bad in terms of probability, therefore the bet of 'all in' (whatever size that may be for no investment) added to the probability that not many people will call it meaning the probability is probably improved by this factor, is really not too bad for someone who has made no investment at all in the game.

On the face of it, they have nothing to lose, and any win, therefore, is a bonus.

It may be argued therefore that the person who matches an all in pre flop shout early on in a Freeroll tournament (without having a relatively premium hand) is the moron and the all in fish/donkey/moron, is actually exploiting weaknesses that may be around a very young (in terms of time at this tourney) table.
 
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Are free roll players morons, that's the question correct? Well, theirs different types of Free-rolls, so which ones are we talking about? Are we speaking about just those on demand free rolls? Or are you speaking about Free-rolls like the PSO league? Are you talking about straight up money like on Full-Flush? Exactly what type are you speaking about, would help to answer the question more appropriately.

Yet as a general understanding of Free-rolls (Not league ones) but just general normal (Cash) Free-rolls, the thing is this, Long hours of play for minute winnings=Tons of craziness in the games.

Now If you wait and wait for AA, and have like a 30bb stack and open rip It, you'll end up getting more than 1 caller in them and than when you bust out you're in shock, and just dazed but the real truth of It Is that players, don't really care about the cash (I mean they wish to win), but can't wait that long thus they think "They can win It In the first hour", yet we all know that's impossible, yet they still try anyways, not to mention, they know another free game Is around the corner
 
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tourneys always have alot of allin donks as usual, its best not to go allin unless its 90% chance you will win.
 
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tourneys always have alot of allin donks as usual, its best not to go allin unless its 90% chance you will win.

Correction, you never have 90% sure chance of winning in anything poker related max we will have Is 83% preflop. Still that doesn't mean you're a shoe in too win the hand. Also If you don't take chances early on than how are we ever gonna get deep+how are we gonna build a decent stack too offset the times we are running bad in the game?
 
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Are freeroll players morons or is their ATC play correct?

Good question.

Every play is + ev in freerolls, even the worst.

In the long run you win money even as the greatest donk, because you cannot lose all the time and it costs nothing.
 
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Are freeroll players morons or is their ATC play correct?

Good question.

Every play is + ev in freerolls, even the worst.

In the long run you win money even as the greatest donk, because you cannot lose all the time and it costs nothing.

If I'm not mistaken you won those 20fpp free rolls on Stars acouple of times correct?
 
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If I'm not mistaken you won those 20fpp free rolls on Stars acouple of times correct?

Some final tables of 10fpp and 20fpp MTTs and won one 20fpp tourney with 3600 players or something :)
 
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Some final tables of 10fpp and 20fpp MTTs and won one 20fpp tourney with 3600 players or something :)

You now know exactly what you're talking about when It comes to Free-Rolls, can you honestly believe in all the years I've played on Stars, that's the only site I've never made and FT In with 1k fields+, It's Insane and you make It seem easy, man I must be doing something wrong:eek:
 
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bad beat

with any cards they have there is still a chance they will win no matter how small that chance may be.
 
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