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so I have been playing a lot of freerolls, placed twice on betonline for 2 bucks, twice at ACR for 1.50c and i have been grinding on another site that i wont mention the name because i dont want to lead anyone to play to because its only good for grinding dimes a day and i have 3 bucks there.

this is not a brag, i am in serious trouble because now i am on freeroll mode and i want to sit with my winnings and just try to double up this chump change but im still in freeroll mode. i am currently reading the supersystem trying to get ready to make the switch. im worried because i dont want to make loose calls and raise pots i shouldnt even be in. its easy to play a freeroll and you can afford mistakes but i dont want to lose what little i have won fast and with nl it can happen.

I want to sit with it all, 3 tables... 1 on each site and rock it however i am also thinking about waiting until i hit 10 usd on a site before i buy in 2nl. thats 5 buy ins. idk what do you guys think? :confused:
 
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i think you should save it and keep playing freerolls for awhile. youre probably going to lose it if you try to double up. so buy saving up 10$ then you'd have 5 buyins for 2nl and you'll have some more room to adjust
 
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I definitely think that this is a reasonable time to start playing 2NL - these sites are soft enough that your experience is sure to give you an edge. Rake will be an issue if you stay at these stakes, but I think you can build up enough after a couple hours o start playing small tournaments. The $25 GTD on ACR seems to be really good value in my experience.
 
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I agree

I definitely think that this is a reasonable time to start playing 2NL - these sites are soft enough that your experience is sure to give you an edge. Rake will be an issue if you stay at these stakes, but I think you can build up enough after a couple hours o start playing small tournaments. The $25 GTD on ACR seems to be really good value in my experience.
yeah i sat with it on acr, already up to 4.50. i really hope to continue to make money there. its really easy money so far. It only let me buy in 1 dollar max so thats 4 buy ins. thats fine for me, its not a big deal if i lose. im about to do the same at bet online.
 
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yeah i sat with it on acr, already up to 4.50. i really hope to continue to make money there. its really easy money so far. It only let me buy in 1 dollar max so thats 4 buy ins. thats fine for me, its not a big deal if i lose. im about to do the same at bet online.

BetOnline is sort of unique since their 2NL tables have no minimum, which can make things interesting. Probably a good place to try multitabling, so long as you're lucky with their software (I've had it crash on me when I'm doing something as simple as rearranging tables). Either way, best of luck!
 
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I suggest stop freerolls for a day or two to get out of freeroll mode. Then try playing a small amount of the few buck bankroll.
 
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I shall try the same

so I have been playing a lot of freerolls, placed twice on betonline for 2 bucks, twice at ACR for 1.50c and i have been grinding on another site that i wont mention the name because i dont want to lead anyone to play to because its only good for grinding dimes a day and i have 3 bucks there.

this is not a brag, i am in serious trouble because now i am on freeroll mode and i want to sit with my winnings and just try to double up this chump change but im still in freeroll mode. i am currently reading the supersystem trying to get ready to make the switch. im worried because i dont want to make loose calls and raise pots i shouldnt even be in. its easy to play a freeroll and you can afford mistakes but i dont want to lose what little i have won fast and with nl it can happen.

I want to sit with it all, 3 tables... 1 on each site and rock it however i am also thinking about waiting until i hit 10 usd on a site before i buy in 2nl. thats 5 buy ins. idk what do you guys think? :confused:

How long have you been grinding for?
 
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I would concur

I suggest stop freerolls for a day or two to get out of freeroll mode. Then try playing a small amount of the few buck bankroll.

If you have made a few bucks , play micro tourneys or sit n goes. micro manage.
 
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If you have made a few bucks , play micro tourneys or sit n goes. micro manage.
yes thats what ive kind of been doing. so update: Acr down to a buck, ran into aces with kings and it killed my baby roll, it happens. I turned my 1.50 at betonline into 7.30. my other account has 4.80c. Someone asked how long ive been grinding for and its been about 2 weeks now. im not impressed with my 15 bucks in winnings but im starting from nothing so i cant beat myself up over it.

The cards are running really crappy today, I wish it would change, really badly because of starting from the bottom. i really cant afford to be wasting my time. I have been thinking about playing less online and more time reading. Freerolls are starting to get under my skin unfortunatly because i do really well if i put my head into it but for 3 days ive been somewhere else or something. anyways got stuff to do and will keep you guys posted
 
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Chris Furgeson said it took him 9 months to start from freeroll to get to 100. then another 9 months to run in to 10k
 
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Hey, 15$ from 0$ is infinity percent profit
 
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Chris Furgeson said it took him 9 months to start from freeroll to get to 100. then another 9 months to run in to 10k

Furgy didn't have the boost from cashing in CC FreeRolls !
 
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Freerole mode is definitely different. In a freeroll, you need to push your stack in order to cash. It is not always a good idea to push your stack in a money game, unless you understand money management or bankroll management.
 
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Luck is very important in the beggining of all freerolls.
 
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My advice in short would be to not spread it all out on the cash game table in one session, but to wait until you have 2-3 buy ins to prevent a bad beat or bad session from stopping all of your progress (which will put you in freeroll mode for even longer :) ).

Time frame is pretty important when running it up from freerolls. Getting the first cashes feels really good, but losing it on the cash tables feels really bad.

It took me about 6 months to go from nothing to $80 at BetOnline, but I was lucky and got second in a $0.50 Rebuy for $18.

If I remember right I started playing one 1/2 table when I got to $5 and played very conservatively. I played more aggressively when I got to $10 and I remember that it took me a long time to go from $10-20.

I was usually only playing 1-2 tables erratically as poker was and still is a hobby. If you put in more effort I'm sure it is possible to do better.
 
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What is everyone's thoughts on buying in half-stacked when trying to build a BR? Lets say if OP has $5 saved, generally that's 2.5BI, but if he buys half stack, then he would have 5BI. Although it would put him at a disadvantage in stack equity, it would give him the advantage of simplifying his play, as well as reducing the effect of varience by playing closer to BR requirements. Thoughts? Good idea/bad idea?
 
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Thanks everyone for the feedback, I finished first at a 50 betonline freeroll. Gave me 8 bucks so now i have 15. Im still yet to place in the 300 nooner but i will, i have faith i will at least finish in the the thing. I think bet online is 10x better then acr. acr has to little prize winnings. i would play the cardschat freerolls and thats it to build a side roll.

I have been reading the super system and its funny how you remember stuff that you once knew. I feel like the super system leads to a person almost being to aggressive but wow was i winning a lot of pots on simple bluffs. I was surprised because it was a freeroll plus my kings and queens held up.
 
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ive never played freerolls or any MTT for that matter, but i'd be willing to bet people do actually get pretty anxious in the cash bubble. they dont want to feel like theyve wasted all that time just to bust out a few places away from cashing. so i think deeper in the tournament bluffs will be more effective than they would be right in the beginning of the tournament. also because non-thinking players will bust out earlier on and there will be a higher percent of thinking players deeper in the tournament. its not a good idea to bluff non-thinking players because they dont look at the board and see the hand youre trying to represent. definitely a good idea to pay attention to what players are paying attention (as im sure doyle has advised you to look for in his book) I've heard people say that the bubble is the time when everyone else becomes passive nit, and thats the time you want to exploit that and play aggressively and build up a strong chip lead. (dont go crazy though)

older books like that are great for introductory poker, but youll find out pretty quickly once you get into cash games that the strategies that were extremely profitable back then are now unprofitable. its a different game now, so the advice and strategies in the older books are handy, but be prepared to adjust your play to suit the table.

once your finished reading super system, try to look for reading material specific to online poker written later than 2008. even better if you can find reading material specific to micro cash games
 
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Congratulations dude that is truly impressive. BetOnline's payouts are a LOT more top heavy than at ACR,which is great for freerolls but has positives and negatives when you are spending your bankroll.

Now that you have a little bit of a roll, be sure to get in on the $2,000 Guaranteed Special every Tuesday for $1+0.10. It's like the "Sunday Million" for small stakes at BetOnline :p
 
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I just multitabled at betonline 4 table 2nl for 5 hours and im up to 32 bucks now. I will def check out the 1 dollar tourneys now that sounds good on tue night. Im only playing at betonline now. The money comes quickest and easiest there so thats where im going to stay. I was down to 16 then boom 32. i had 23 bucks at a 2nl table where the max buy in was 2 bucks haha.
 
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ive never played freerolls or any MTT for that matter, but i'd be willing to bet people do actually get pretty anxious in the cash bubble. they dont want to feel like theyve wasted all that time just to bust out a few places away from cashing. so i think deeper in the tournament bluffs will be more effective than they would be right in the beginning of the tournament. also because non-thinking players will bust out earlier on and there will be a higher percent of thinking players deeper in the tournament. its not a good idea to bluff non-thinking players because they dont look at the board and see the hand youre trying to represent. definitely a good idea to pay attention to what players are paying attention (as im sure doyle has advised you to look for in his book) I've heard people say that the bubble is the time when everyone else becomes passive nit, and thats the time you want to exploit that and play aggressively and build up a strong chip lead. (dont go crazy though)

older books like that are great for introductory poker, but youll find out pretty quickly once you get into cash games that the strategies that were extremely profitable back then are now unprofitable. its a different game now, so the advice and strategies in the older books are handy, but be prepared to adjust your play to suit the table.

once your finished reading super system, try to look for reading material specific to online poker written later than 2008. even better if you can find reading material specific to micro cash games

Good post. My micro cash game exp is pretty good if you could point me to a book thats more like casino play that would be better. Im taking my online winnings to foxwoods, its only a few hours from me. I dont want to play online but im broke and its free and if it can stake me im all for it.
 
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if you're doing so well as you say , then why would you want to change that I'm in a month of playing freerolls have far less success than yours but still play freeroll because I was somehow better when I'm playing , if you lose you are not going to the other has a lot of tournament during the day , I once won $ 2 and put that money in the tournament I'm out for 10 minutes did not take any hand is not one chip , and so we 'd better play freeroll
 
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Good post. My micro cash game exp is pretty good if you could point me to a book thats more like casino play that would be better. Im taking my online winnings to foxwoods, its only a few hours from me. I dont want to play online but im broke and its free and if it can stake me im all for it.

I havent read a lot of books, but 'Caro's Most Profitable Hold'Em Advice' is decent for live play. specifically for the psychological side of it. His technical game theory is more on the side of a nit so if you do read that one, read it for the psychology and the tells. (although if you prefer to play nit strategy, then his advice is good for that)
Mike Caro is extremely well versed in the psychology of poker. things like congratulating players for making a good play when it was really actually a bad play. saying you got lucky when you made a good play... things like that.

I've heard 'Harrington On Hold'Em' is good, but I havent read it, so i can't say much about it.

Just remember as far as online, if the money comes quickly then it goes quickly too. what I mean by that is the games where you can profit a lot at are probably slightly higher variance. so make sure you follow proper bankroll management (BRM). it takes a good bit luck to build a bankroll out of nothing, and you can go back to 0 really fast if you dont follow BRM once you do have a bankroll.

when you are at about $40, you are then properly rolled for .01/.02 $2NL.. wait until you have $100 before you move up to .02/.05 $5NL
 
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