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Folding KK Preflop
You are playing heads up SNG hold em. Its toward the middle of the game. Stacks are even.
You have noticed that your opponent is pretty tight and raises EVERY time he has an ace. You are delt kk. You raise 5 times the BB Your your opponent shoves you all in. You know there is a very good chance he has a10, aq, aj, or ak. Many of you will say not fold. After all you have a MADE hand ...kk. But in this situation isnt pocket 2s, or 3s JUST as good as kk? I mean either he hits his ace on the flop or he doesnt!\ If he hits the ace and you dotn have an ace ur screwed either way no mater WHAT you have unless you hit two pair or trips which is very unlikely. So the fact that you have KK.... does it really mater when pushed all in with an ace.... ANY ace? Even ACE RAG? 
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re: Poker & Folding KK Preflop
22 vs AQ (for example)  22 is 52% to win
KK vs AQ  KK is almost 72% to win Now you tell me  is there a difference? Does it matter? If not then you need to find another game. 
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I think there are only 2 situations where you can fold KK pre.
1) 1st hand WSOP main event 2) Final Table with a couple of all ins in front of you with a chance to climb the ladder IMHO 
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I think the most important point here is correcting what you said about any pocket pair being equivalent to KK. Let's assume Villain is shoving AT, AJ, AQ, AK, AA. This is his shoving range. For completeness, let's look at the odds of him having any of these hands.
Combinations: AA  6 combos AK  8 combos (you have 2 of the kings) AQ  16 combos AJ  16 combos AT  16 combos Total: 62 combos. Which means he only has AA about 10% of the times he shoves. And this is assuming we know his shoving range is this tight (in HU it might not be). So with KK, you are dominating his range 90% of the time, since as you said, he pretty much has to hit an A when he doesn't have two of them already. Now let's consider 99 against the same range. Now, he's still dominating you the 10% of the time he has AA, but what's happening the other 90%? It's basically a flip. Against each hand in his range (aside from AA), you are winning about 55% of the time, and he is winning about 45% of the time. Because he doesn't have to hit an ace to beat you. If the kicker to his ace is 10 or higher and you have 99, he can just pair the kicker to be ahead. With AT he can hit an ace OR a 10, with AJ he can hit an ace OR a jack, etc etc. I think some of the useful posts by Big_Rudy and MediaBLITZ are getting lost amidst the "LOLZ WHY WOULD YOU FOLD KK PRE?!??!" Make sure you understand why this is never a correct fold, not just the fact that it isn't. 
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if he has A6, your KK is higher than the 6, and will only lose if an A comes up. If you have 22 or 33, you can lose if your opponent hits an A or a 6.
Also a side note, you can NOT fold KK preflop heads up. If he has pocket aces then he has pocket aces, and if he has Arag and then hits an A on the boards then oh well. You will win KK heads up so many times, you can not afford to fold it. 
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The only reasonable time to fold KK is in a large tournament nearbubble situation against a larger stack. The nature of the bubble matters. If this is a tournament with roughly even or chop potential (i.e. Final 30 places qualify for equal or relatively equal prize or entry into some larger tournament).
In all other situations, you are playing to win 1st place and you should call with KK. The risk of your kings being cracked by a weaker hand is actually greater than the chance that you'll run into AA. If you do run into AA, you still have a 15% chance to win . 
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I actually considered it last night  for about a second and a half. Final table  4 left  pays 5
$64,000 in play at the table. One shove for $13,000 One shove for $13,500 I have $28,000 and am chip leader with KK A beautiful set up to get down to 3 players, but also a set up if I call to go heads up holding a 51 chip lead. Like I said  I tried for about a second and a half to consider folding but it was a ludicrous option. I did think someone could have AA and just before calling said this is gonna be a bitch if it's a cooler. We flip them over  no cooler  QQ vs TT vs KK. TT rivers an inside straight for the win. I'll do the exact same thing every time in that situation. 
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OP, pretty sure you might want to consider playing around with some odds calculators to see how hands match up vs. one another. (there are plenty of them out there.. google search is your friend) 
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Great answer. Love noting the odds. which all come into play.
The only thing I saw missing was taking into concideration if the player is a donk. Dang bunch of em out there. Quote:

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