Flopped flushes and bottom set, all in?

In the last couple of days, I have had 3 hands where I 4 bet all in on the flop only to find out the other guy flopped better hands.

Twice I flopped flushes from BB (unraised preflop). One time it was 7 high the other time it was 6 high. After I got 3 bet each time, my option was to shove or fold because if I was behind then, I was drawing dead. I was either ahead or I was dead. No outs to catch.

I decided to shove both times (less than 100 blinds) hoping to be up against a set or top pair/nut flush draw type hands but ran up against made Q high flushes both times.

Another time I called a min. raise preflop with 44 at CO. Flop was 489. I 4 bet again all in and lost to 99. I thought I could be behind here, but felt he could be 3 betting with 10 10, JJ, etc.

All three situations were flop shoves right? I had no concrete reads on any of the villains. Shouldn't lay down any of these down, should I? Calling would have committed at least half my stack anyway.

Walked in the big blind I play these like you did. From any other position I fold pre flop.

On the set it's a cooler too, yes.

cAPSLOCK said:

Walked in the big blind I play these like you did. From any other position I fold pre flop.

On the set it's a cooler too, yes.

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For the flopped flushes, it really depends on our villain.

Unfortunately a lot of the hands that we are ahead of play the same way as we the hands we are drawing dead to.

For instance top set on a flushed flop = bet bet bet, hope you're not up against a made flush, TpTk on a flushed flop = bet bet bet, hope you're not up against a made flush.

I guess an argument could get into "which level of thinking is my opponent" on here, but with gigantic flopped hand vs gigantic flopped hand, I don't think it makes much of a difference.

Personally, I very rarely flop a flush and care what my villain has, if he has me beat he has me beat and the stack gets added to his pile.

The same with sets, straights, and other such powerhouses.

If I have JJ on a QJ5 board, I check/raise and get re-raised, sure, villain could have any combination of straight draws, but I'm only worried about QQ, and it's just plain rude to flop a set and fold your hand (I've heard there is lightning involved should anybody find out, or the poker gods be watching).

If I have QQ there and you have JJ, I don't expect you to fold, I expect you to pay me off, just as when I have JJ I expect to pay off when I'm beat.

Because even though I lose to QQ, there are a number of hands I'm WAAAAAY ahead of, and among those are the kind of hands that play the same as QQ there, such as AQ with a shorter stack, KT in a multiway pot with a backdoor draw, and 55.

When the decision makes itself, don't worry so much about whether or not you're ahead or behind. Sure, it stings a few times to get to showdown and have baby flopped flush beaten by a higher flopped flush, but doesn't it sting a lot more when you get scared with baby flopped flush, so play to a cheap showdown, and end up stacking off against a rivered FH or higher flush?

The amount of times you stack of on the flop with strong hands that may not be best and get called, I wouldn't be surprised if you found yourself at a lot of showdowns against hands like two pair, sets, and draws, a lot more than you found yourself against bigger hands that just outflopped you.

Well i think that playing omaha has made me much more suspicious, however it s too difficult to read a set or a bigger flush in nlhe and with a minraise from the villain and a flop like 489 there is much bigger probability that the villain is chasing a straight so i would have played your hands like you did.
Same thing about the flushes, no way i m gonna fold a flush, now i m too lazy to make some math but i m pretty sure that is a optimal long-term decision to call/go all in.remember that the probability that another has made flush is 8/47*7/46=2,6 % and if you ve a 7 high flush the probability you re behind is between 50% and 16 % considering the flop , so when you ve a flush 7 high , the probability that:
a)the other has a flush
b)it s bigger than yours
is between 1,3 % and 1,92 % , it s not 100 % exact but over 90% sure

Just had a hand where the turn completed a str for me but gave villain a FH. He slowed played his trips so I didn't put him on a fh. Lost 1/2 my stack. He for some reason only called my river and didn't raise the rest of my stack in despite holding a boat. Not much luck with these lately.

blueskies said:

Just had a hand where the turn completed a str for me but gave villain a FH. He slowed played his trips so I didn't put him on a fh. Lost 1/2 my stack. He for some reason only called my river and didn't raise the rest of my stack in despite holding a boat. Not much luck with these lately.

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that sounds somewhat lucky dont you think?

I guess it is always tough to fold a flopped hand like a baby flush or set

I dont really fold the set if I get it on the flop as it is usually a quite well disguised hand but with the little flushes it seems I fold more than most as people are reluctant to fold the A or K of that suit if 3 come down on the flop

just my 2c

inti

I don't think I'd ever fold a flopped flush in a 100BB cash game on the flop. It's just a cooler. Sets, straights and made hand/flush draw hands all try to get it in on the flop so let them.

I flopped a low flush again. Had 73 from BB in a limped pot. I lead out, BTN raises. I decided to just shove. He had two pairs and I avoided a 4 outter. Good thing he didn’t have a diamond cuz the turn was another diamond.

The shoe was on the other foot today. I hadn't seen a flop in a while so with Jh8h at CO, I raised to 3.5 BB just looking to take the blinds. BTN and BB both call anyway.

Flop comes 93A of hearts. BB checks. I lead out with 2/3 pot. BTN folds, and BB puts in a fairly weak raise. No brainer shove here for me.

He flips over 10h6h. He was looking to slowly build the pot I guess.

Suits him right for calling OOP with junk.

BTN probably had crap too. Non hearts, sadly. He would have called for sure if he had a heart.

All three situations were flop shoves right?
yes- or try build pot slow not to scare opp off and make him draw for higher flush.
I had no concrete reads on any of the villains. Shouldn't lay down any of these down, should I?
nope, geting all in as long as no 4card flush draws, or paired board.
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pretty easy man, coolers.

on the other hand, you made strait on a paired board, i wouldnt been in a rush to bet anymore, your opp non reraise on the river, is pretty standard for a person who cant tell whan they have the nuts or second nuts and so on.

Side note When NUTS are on the board, on the river, always shove- about 1 in 10 your opp will fold. LMAO,

I think that all three situations were right. In the case of the bigger set, he could have AA,KK,etc. So it´s a right shove, just a cooler. Same thing for the flopped flush on the BB, he could have floped the set, straight, or even over pair with a flush draw, and in all those cases you are ahead, so again, just a cooler.