Flipping when you know your opponents shoving range?

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Ok so I was playing a sng, was second in chips with 20k until I got my QQ screwed over by 77 hitting a 7 on the turn after they shoved on the flop
10 8 2 rainbow.

So then I had about 10 k blinds at 1.2k

the big stack at the table shoves any pair preflop.
2s include, just open shoves. really bad play you would think
Ive played 3 games against this guy and have 5 flips vs his range.
and ive lost them all

I have 2 overs each time he shoved against me. One of the times I had the better pair and he hits a set (Im getting crushed lately)

I know Im the slight under dog with KQs,

so knowing that he is shoving a pair. Is the correct play to call or fold with two over cards?

Im not winning flips on either side, having a pair vs 2 overs = losing, having two overs vs any pair = losing
 
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In general, with less than 10bb, you shouldn't be unhappy flipping for your stack. The specific table / stack situation can weight the decision though. It's a matter of evaluating how well or poorly you're positioned in the remaining field, which involves considering the other stacks as well as your own.

For instance, say you're 3rd in chips and have already cashed vs. there's a 4th stack about to blind out. The decision matrix to take the flip or not isn't the same even if you pick the same in both cases.
 
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In general, with less than 10bb, you shouldn't be unhappy flipping for your stack. The specific table / stack situation can weight the decision though. It's a matter of evaluating how well or poorly you're positioned in the remaining field, which involves considering the other stacks as well as your own.

For instance, say you're 3rd in chips and have already cashed vs. there's a 4th stack about to blind out. The decision matrix to take the flip or not isn't the same even if you pick the same in both cases.

ok good point, id actually wait for the 4th to blind out, Then take my flips. Ive finished on the bubble too many time by being over aggressive in that situation.


however I was more so asking about is it right to flip with 2 over cards (KQ AK AQ AJ A10s) vs someone shoving low - middle- high pairs preflop

If I have an ok stack do I fold AK? Should I gamble with idiots?
 
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If I have an ok stack do I fold AK? Should I gamble with idiots?
Once again, situational factors matter, which means there's no simple best answer that covers every situation. That said, in general, the greater your skill advantage over an opponent, the less inclined you should be to take big gambles, within reason of course.
 
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flipping when you know your opponents range

You know why he's flipping with you because he's the big stack ,if his stack is 3 times yours he can survive a loss but ,your out this makes your flip a bad one and his a good flip,but you don't always have flip to survive wait until your at the button with no callers before you push your whole stack into the blinds ,sure someone might have a monster but,your short stacked and most of the time people don't have a good enough hand to call you,only do it with no callers before you a couple of blinds you'll be back in bussiness.
 
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ok good point, id actually wait for the 4th to blind out, Then take my flips. Ive finished on the bubble too many time by being over aggressive in that situation.


however I was more so asking about is it right to flip with 2 over cards (KQ AK AQ AJ A10s) vs someone shoving low - middle- high pairs preflop

If I have an ok stack do I fold AK? Should I gamble with idiots?

suggesting that the guy who is shoving near every hand is an 'idiot' might be completely incorrect (from a situational standpoint, he might be playing it perfectly.... it's hard to say without seeing the exact HH).

There's alot more strategy to the endgame in a SNG then just wondering whether or not we should be calling it off.

Waiting for an extremely short stack to go out in 4th might not be the most optimal way to play a bubble situation in a SNG ('it depends'). Often times this will be a great oppurtunity to chip up by aggressing on another mid-sized stack (say if there's one bigstack , 2 mids & 1 super short ... if we're also a mid-sized stack or have a stack that will near decimate the other mid-sized stack).
What I'm getting at is > there are many different situations/scenarios.

When considering "is it right to call it off if we figure we're flipping" (< btw.. who do we 'know' we're flipping?), there's other things to consider... including the deadmoney in the middle.

You'll also want to familiarize yourself with I.C.M. if playing SNG's
 
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