First post: hand history. any help?

hi all, this is my first post ever. i've just started to play but did study a bit before investing money. i'm from italy and please excuse my english if i make some mistake.

this is a hand i played today, what do you think about my play? is my analysis ok or shall i consider other things? any useful comment is more than welcome.

i know i should post hands where i lost big time but as my first post ever on the forum i thought it was best to hide how donk i can be sometime.

pokerstars Hand #75801895651: Hold'em No Limit (€0.01/€0.02 EUR) - 2012/02/18 16:31:03 CET

[2012/02/18 10:31:03 ET]
Table 'Schorria VIII' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: ridodirado (€2.09 in chips)
Seat 2: gina1912 (€1.45 in chips)
Seat 3: Goat93 (€2.93 in chips)
Seat 4: *31897* (€1.91 in chips)
Seat 5: Birbante75 (€1.35 in chips)
Seat 6: vieniepiangi (€1.90 in chips)
Seat 7: wilk10 (€1.44 in chips)
Seat 8: guizz0 (€1.99 in chips)
Seat 9: Misterbrillo (€1.50 in chips)
*31897*: posts small blind €0.01
Birbante75: posts big blind €0.02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to wilk10 [Ac Kd]
vieniepiangi: folds
wilk10: raises €0.06 to €0.08
guizz0: folds
Misterbrillo: folds
ridodirado: folds
gina1912: folds
Goat93: folds
*31897*: folds
Birbante75: calls €0.06
*** FLOP *** [Jd Ks Ts]
Birbante75: checks
wilk10: bets €0.12
Birbante75: calls €0.12
*** TURN *** [Jd Ks Ts] [Th]
Birbante75: checks
wilk10: bets €0.29
Birbante75: raises €0.31 to €0.60
wilk10: calls €0.31
*** RIVER *** [Jd Ks Ts Th] Q♥
Birbante75: checks
wilk10: bets €0.64 and is all-in
Birbante75: calls €0.55 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (€0.09) returned to wilk10

villain is a fishy loose player closer to a calling station than a LAG (i did see him raising sometimes before, some fish just don't do it).

did i have the pot-odds to call his turn raise?
let's see:
after the flop the pot is: €0.41
i bet and it's €0.70
he raises and it's €1.30
i have to call €0.31 in a €1.30 pot.
pot odds: 4.19:1 (is this right?)
i need 9 outs on the river to make a +EV call:
i have 4Q for the nut straight, 3A for top double pair (shall i count them? they do improve my hand but i'm still behind a straight or a set), 2K for a full house, 2T for a full house.

what about the implied odds? would have i shoved any river card? guess not. was i pot committed? i had €0.49/€1.44= 34% of my stack invested before the call, 55% after the call. i might have called a shove anyway i guess.

i guess i was wrong in not 3bet-shoving the turn. tho, he was potcommitted and quite a calling station, i had no fold equity whatsoever

and my betsizing? i should probably have bet the pot and not 3/4 of pot on the flop

biggest mistake was i didn't really ask myself what he had, let's see:
he called a UTG+1 raise from the BB

what could he have?
22-JJ, A2-AQ, K8+, Q8+, J8+, T8+
pokerstove says i'm 65% favourite over his range

he check/calls on a super wet flop

what could he have?
44-JJ, A9-AQ, K8+, Q8+, J8+, T8+
still 65% favourite over his range

check/raised a turn card who paired the board
99-JJ, A9-AQ, K9+, Q9+, J9+, T9
now it's a 49-51% coinflip

check/called my shove on the river (river card really scary)
well i had the nuts and shoved, his range didn't quite matter now

so basically i think i played less bad than he did, made mistakes but had the odds to call his turn raise

and got lucky on the river, which is really nice but outside my control

do you want to know his hole cards or that's ok?

looking fwd to your replies

Hey, welcome to the forum

-Buy-in full (100BB) and use auto-top up to keep your stack at 100BB. You want to maximize your potential winnings in spots like this.
-You have the odds to call his turn raise, I would probably have just reraise shoved at this point, it's all going in anyway so may as well shove the turn.

Counting outs isn't quite as simple as figuring out how many cards will improve your hand. That's because improving doesn't necessarily mean you'll win. So, there are clean outs that give you the nuts or effective nuts, and other outs that don't.

Counting all your outs as if they're clean over-values the second type. A way to address this is to adjust your count by devaluing them. For example, let's say you have 9 outs of which 3 are clean. Depending on the situation, you might estimate that the other 6 are equivalent to anywhere from 0 to 6 clean outs.

Sometimes, you'll also want to factor in the estimated probability that the opponent is betting a draw. The more likely it is you're actually ahead, the fewer outs you need.

thank you guys for your replies, this thing about clean/non-clean outs is really interesting, i'll definitely read more on the subject

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poker stars $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players - View hand 1652016
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

MP2: $2.09
CO: $1.45
BTN: $2.93
SB: $1.91
BB: $1.35
UTG: $1.90
Hero (UTG+1): $1.44
UTG+2: $1.99
MP1: $1.50

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is UTG+1 with A :club: K :diamond:
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.08, 6 folds, BB calls $0.06

Flop: ($0.17) J :diamond: K :spade: T :spade: (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.12, BB calls $0.12

Turn: ($0.41) T :heart: (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.29, BB raises to $0.60, Hero calls $0.31

River: ($1.61) (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.64 all in, BB calls $0.55 all in

Final Pot: $2.71

now i can read it

You're not quite thinking about his range correctly. When a super fishy player check-raises the turn, he doesn't have A9. He most likely has a big hand that has you beat. Furthermore his range is quite likely a bit wider than you have preflop.

All fish are not the same. That includes calling stations. They can and do have different ranges. Some defend quite loosely, others quite tightly.

One thing they do tend to have in common is that they call a lot. So I'm with baudib. When he check-raises the turn, he probably has you beat since with a marginal hand, he'd tend to call. The question is whether his bet size gives you pot odds to continue.

And the river gives you the nut straight, but it's not the nuts. Since the board is paired, quads and any full house beat you.

i know i still have to improve loads in reading ranges. my range is much tighter than the one i considered PF for my villain though, i thought that was quite wide, but shall i consider even wider ranges for fishy loose players?

anyway, you're right, he did have me beat on flop and turn, i was lucky on the river but i guess i would have shoved anyway, if he has full house i'll take the beat.

i'll post some more interesting hand in a more readable way later on.