Enty plays 6x25nl FR

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[broken link~tb]

Sorry for the size, I did everything in Ice's tutorial but maybe I recorded too high rez or quality or something.
50 mins long with some coughing ldo.

Some tough hands in there for me.
Appreciate any criticism/analysis or just hands u want to talk about.
 
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im downloading, always wanted to hear waffles speak :p
 
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Just wondering if you noticed when you paid off the full house with AQ that some guy said 'Dumb call' :)

I thought that hand was weird though. You knew you were beat, you could probably name is hand, and you still called?
 
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Yes I saw that, no reason to react.
And yes I just rewatched it and saw myself making lots of argumenst for folding, yet not doing it :(.
 
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Pretty sure that taking up comedy would be a good move enty, some of the zach comments were just awesome :)

Really enjoyed the video and apart from the AQ early hand I didn't notice anything particularly crazy, although I'm hardly qualified to say :) Thought the hand with JJ at around 19mins was kinda strange. You check/called the king high flop and then led the turn. That just seem kinda spewy from my point of view as I don't think he's gonna lay down most kings there.

And just as a side note, with AK when you hit the nut flush draw and got shoved on, you thought he had a set pretty much 100% of the time. I ran the numbers through pokerstove and got this:

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

5,940 games 0.001 secs 5,940,000 games/sec

Board: Ah Td 4d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 30.859% 30.86% 00.00% 1833 0.00 { AdKd }
Hand 1: 69.141% 69.14% 00.00% 4107 0.00 { TT, 44 }

So that's only 30% against the set. So I mean... I dunno, if you can put him exactly on the set then you're losing a large % of the time. I mean you could extend his range to include AQ but I don't think he ever shows up with that here. I'd be really interested to know what the other guys thought on that to be honest.

But like I said, great video and I hope you make more :)
 
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eNTy Ithink you should check HEM more often! I mean you only looked at it 3 times in your 60 minute vid. The Zach stuff was wierd and completely random. Very funny.
 
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It's like they say, you can't make waffles without breaking a few eggs!
 
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AQ hand, you know you should fold here, you showed total strength and he raised then shoved. Nothing you beat does this, you're throwing away money calling there.

A5o soon after that on upper-middle table you fold A5o in the SB with a shorty in the BB. I'm pretty sure you could shove there 100% and be profitable even if he plays perfectly against your range (just looked it up in Sklansky-Chubukov chart and you can correctly shove all-in, flip your cards face up and let him choose whether or not to call and will still make money. When he makes mistakes by calling or folding too much you make even more. Bottom line, folding there is not good. Shoving may not be best option but when shoving > folding you should never be folding).

13:50 - you open KQo UTG for the 2nd time. I doubt this is profitable. Maybe it is but I'd look to see how it's worked at 25nl and reconsider doing it.

18:50 - upper right table JJ you pump it up to 6x and get limp-caller from button and BB calls and get K76r flop and you check? I would cbet this all day, just such a dry flop.

Wow interesting play, actually once you check JJ I think I like that play. It's a combination of looking so full of shit that he probably calls very wide on the flop and also looking crazy enough that as in this hand he doesn't vbet his great hands (and probably doesn't bluff either). As long as you really would fold to a river bet I like it aside from still thinking you have to cbet that flop.

25:30 - bottom right you 3-bet UTG raiser with AK. Are you planning to ship if he 4-bets? If not would just flatting be better?

Same hand you don't cbet T82r flop. Although there are certainly better boards to cbet curious on reasoning for not cbetting there. What kind of hands are you putting him on?

27:30 - AA you played that pretty close to how I would. Definitely don't like raising river. Easy call though. He shows up with random shit like 55 a lot but he doesn't call a raise with those, so call is pretty standard there.

29:00 - you 3-bet an UTG raiser who you recognize as "a tight player" with JJ. Why?

34:15 - you claim that this Zach character is iming you and has no life when iirc he was answering a question you asked a few hours earlier :p

ok nvm it just popped up kind of in response but you asked me to remind you to play the warmup and I had just gotten back so wanted to make sure you remembered :p

43:00 - omg how did you find out I work at McDonalds?
 
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Sklansky-Chubukov chart?? Care to share Zach ?
 
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Just downloading it.. but with my crazy slow broadband speed, its going to taks 1.5 hrs GREAT!!!
 
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AQ hand, you know you should fold here
Agreed, spew.

A5o soon after that on upper-middle table you fold A5o in the SB with a shorty in the BB

I had never really thought about it that way.
I guess the general guidelines I got was stay out of their way without premiums. And with that few hands I can't really tell if he's a spewtard or not, even though his name is zach. I'll look into it next time.

13:50 - you open KQo UTG for the 2nd time. I doubt this is profitable. Maybe it is but I'd look to see how it's worked at 25nl and reconsider doing it.

Check how ? I don't know honestly it's just in my range to open I guess. I get so many folds opening anything utg it kinda makes me sad, like I can never win anything from utg.

18:50 - upper right table JJ you pump it up to 6x and get limp-caller from button and BB calls and get K76r flop and you check? I would cbet this all day, just such a dry flop.

Wow interesting play, actually once you check JJ I think I like that play.

Yeah that was interesting. I think I cbet a lot less flops this video than I would when playing alone. My play looks weird and I don't think I have ever done that before. I definitely gave him credit for the K after he called turn bet. Can you explain why you like it, cause I'm not sure anymore.

25:30 - bottom right you 3-bet UTG raiser with AK. Are you planning to ship if he 4-bets? If not would just flatting be better?

Yes def shipping I think. That's def a spot where I would cbet close to 100% on any other day. Don't know why I didn't guess I thought I was screwed cause I didn't hit. But the guy seems to be rather fishy so. And sometimes I flat AK to an open but mostly vs TAG players. And nits. I have no idea what hand to put him on tbh.

29:00 - you 3-bet an UTG raiser who you recognize as "a tight player" with JJ. Why?

Well, I think I said in the vid that he would do that almost every time with AK/AQ especially flatting the 3bet. Also generally tags give you loads of respect for 3betting viewing it as KK+/QQ+ and AK so it's not uncommon to get folds.

34:15 - you claim that this Zach character is iming you and has no life when iirc he was answering a question you asked a few hours earlier :p

Reminding me 1.5+ hours after I busted is not cool ldo.

43:00 - omg how did you find out I work at McDonalds?
Same way I soulread your ass at 25nl and know u make graphs in paint. I got skillz brah. Also I have nude pics.

^ ldo
 
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About the AdKd hand on AxTd4d I still think I'm correct in wanting to ship it ?
It might be closer to a fold since he was the initial shover but I don 't know.

I think saying he has a set 100% of the time might be pushing it ?
 
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35 minutes to go before I get this bad boy downloaded!!!
 
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I im about to d/l the vid, but shipping akdd on a A,T,4dd flop seems 100% standard
 
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I im about to d/l the vid, but shipping akdd on a A,T,4dd flop seems 100% standard

It was completely standard. eNTy (who imo, gives a bit too much credit to his opponents) basically says that he thinks the guy has a set but his range is so much wider that just sets.
 
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It was completely standard. eNTy (who imo, gives a bit too much credit to his opponents) basically says that he thinks the guy has a set but his range is so much wider that just sets.

Forgot to comment on that. I agree you pretty much have to call once shoved on, but I wouldn't mind just flatting the flop. There are really no combo draws to stack, and we're basically either way ahead or behind. I just don't even see value in raising that flop. If there were more TP or combo draw type hands that would be one thing but when you have TP and the flush draw, what stacks that you have decent equity against? Also this is a spot where we don't mind a free card at all. We can possibly get away from the hand if villain shows a ton of strength and we can usually stack sets on the turn if we hit our flush. I am just not sure I like raising there even though once we do we pretty much have to get it in imo.
 
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You guys already talked about the AQ hand but I just wanted to point out at 25nl, the way he played that hand, limp, flat, then call your flop and practically min-raise the turn, that's always a poorly played monster, he is just showing so much strength that it should be an easy fold at 25nl.

Then about 5 minutes in 10s on table 2, standard raise pre, then on flop, I don't know what's your standard c-bet is but you bet like half of pot which looks weak in shorty's eyes so I think you should be betting more to define his hand, and from his stats he looked like a calling station 33/x and i cant tell what this number is. Also while the TT was happening on table 1, you folded a8h on CO, you should be paying attention to all tables.

You talk about the supernova guy and this is for like everyone that reads this, every single supernova that plays 25nl and 50nl regularly is a f**king ABC nit, they play 20 something tables, and their winrate sucks balls and they make money when people just make mistakes and 3-bet 4-bet them light, they usually won't bluff because they are playing so many tables and don't see the good spots to bluff, so usually if they c-bet and then shut down on turn, I almost always bet, unless my notes indicate he plays monsters like that, something to keep in mind, and don't let the little stars intimidate you, all it means is they play a lot.

Talking about the hud, you have their 3-bet percentage, but you don't have their fold to 3-bet percentage, so for example say someone is playing umm idk 30/18 and folds to 3-bets say 70% of the time and you have position on him, I'm no math genius and not sure what exact number of times you have to be succesful with your 3 bet to show profit but my point is if you are in position against someone like that and they have a pretty high fold to 3-bet, it's profitable to 3bet ATC, you got to be looking for ways to maximize your profit, I'm not saying you should 3-bet everytime those players open but under right circumstances I think it's pretty profitable and a lot of times when they do call, you can take it down usually on flop which also adds to your profit.

9:20 on table you have 63 in bb, that hand really has no value, its folded to sb and he limps, don't let the sb limp, I would just be a total azz to sb and just keep pounding on that sb. I mean think about it, if you are in sb what hands are you limping with, maybe if you have the fancy syndrome, JJ+ and maybe like AQ and AK, but other than that aren't you like raising every other hand that has some value and limping your weak connectors, someting like J7, 53, etc, etc. So my point is keep pounding on those sb since you do have position and usually c-bet or two barrels gets them to fold.

9:47 OMG OMG you nit, who folds 67c from sb, this hand plays great in or out of position.

10:15 table 1 UTG+1 limps, folded to you on button with J9, sb seems kind of tight, big blind is a short stacker so don't have to worry too much about either, anyways I think this is a great spot to isolate the UTG+1 limper and just out play him in position.

10:30ish 33 hand, MP raises, you flat to set mine, fine so far, flop 9 2 T rainbow, when he checks, this is what comes to my mind, he either has a set and thinks you have overcards and is trying to get you to bet or he has over cards and is just giving up on the hand, and to be honest I'm leaning towards over cards, I think he has to bet over pairs and sets here to build the pot. I guess the flop check is ok since you don't want to get re- raised but on the turn I'm almost always betting there to just take it down and to protect my hand.

11:00 ok I'm sorry I'm being really picky, but may I ask why you fold A4 from CO, I mean if you don't like playing A rags that's fine w/e, but I treat CO almost same as button to be honest. I see the guy on button is 20/20 so maybe that was your reason to fold, I don't know but just wanted to point this out.

Ok you know something I don't know, I'm assuming its like a right click or you hit something on keyboard, but how do you check what tables you are in line for and what number, and ty :).

At about 13 minutes you open KQ utg, which you know its not terrible but I feel like there are a lot of calling stations at 25nl so I don't know how profitable this is, I saw Zach comment on this and he means just filter out QK utg and see if you are showing profit or not.

Just want to point something out, I see your standard raise is 4x, which I guess is a personal thing, but have you thought of perhaps raising 3x from button or like late position, so when you get 3-bet you lose less when you are stealing, and when you have a monster you are more likely to get called and still have position, even though the pot isn't as big as it would be if you raised to 4x, you prolly will get more action from 3x, if you are comfortable playing post flop that is, just a thought.

JJ at about 19 minutes in, I think I would lead on the flop, but I don't mind your play at all and definitely fold river if he bets on that board.

66 at about 20 minutes, table 4, may I ask why you c-bet so much smaller, it just looks weak and your standard c-bet is like 3/4 or 2/3 and when you c-bet 1/2 its just its so weak looking and to be honest that flop hits his flatting range pretty hand imo, so I think one decent c-bet and then give up if he gives you action.

AK hand about 23 minutes in, you flop top pair and nut flush draw, pretty standard and I think you have to call there, although I disagree with zach about flatting, I think you should raise although I think less is better to get weaker aces and maybe weaker flush draws to chase, so I don't mind raising but not so much and then getting it in is fine imo.

QQ at about 27 minutes, I think you played it fine, no reason to really raise the river, checking turn is fine for pot control but betting the turn is prolly thin, Idk to be honest, too many people flat flop and then do the check raise on turn with monsters that I don't know if you could of got more value on turn or not, but I think it was fine and I would of done same.

JJ table 6, 29 minutes in, are you raising for value or are you trying to take the pot down? doesn't make sense to raise there to be honest.

72 about 32 minutes in, you nit, isolate c-bet, take it down, show, get them to tilt, get AA next aipf, win a stack. :D

I guess I wasn't as picky towards the end but I do want to point out few things, when you are in a pot at one table you seem to zone in and not pay attention to other tables which is not good and you need to be paying attention to what's going on at other tables. Also it seems like you didn't identify the passive vs aggresive players, and it seems like you were isolating limpers only on button, which I feel like you can be a tad bit looser from CO and Hijack too. Also you seem a lil scurred to play the big stack that kept limping which I don't understand why, since it's easier to bluff a big stack and also if he is a calling station its easier to win a stack and when you are in position you can just outplay him in position post flop.

I wasn't trying to be a d**k picking on a lot of smallish hands but I feel like everyone commented on big hands that sorta play themselves out while these little hands are the ones where you maximize your edge and grind out $$$. Improve your game and you can start eating at restaurants like me instead of having to eat at mcdonalds and see Zach, or maybe you are just gay and want to see him. :eek:
 
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Woow, that comment of Bob Tiger really does it.
I admit, I watched the video but really didn`t notice almost any of those items you pointed out. Well I don`t use a HUD so some things I couldn`t notice but still it reminds me I have sooooo much more to lurn.
At what stakes do you play Bob Tiger in ring and/or MTT?
I think your knowledge is almost like a pro.
Hope to read more great stuff like this to improve my game as well.Thanks for the input of all you CC-ers.
 
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Too tired/braindead/zombie to reply to Bob, will do tomorrow.
 
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Well bob, it's a bit long to respond to every item you posted, or maybe I'm not awake enough yet. But it seems like some of the things you pointed out would be things a LAG does rather than a TAG.

Which is not necessarily a bad thing, iso-ing more is something I probably need to do more often. But for instance 3-betting light is not something I want to do at 25nl. If I get too loose I can see myself slip into the barreling with air pattern more easily which is something I don't want.

About the table focus. You're partly right on that one. But I don't really mind folding a hand where I would normally maybe steal or iso if it means I can concentrate more on a big pot that is played elsewhere.

If there are multiple big pots at the same time obviously I will split my focus but generally if it means folding a marginal hand to concentrate on the other big hand(s) I don't mind doing that.
 
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D/ling now! Can't wait to watch this for the comedy/poker value.
 
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Well bob, it's a bit long to respond to every item you posted, or maybe I'm not awake enough yet. But it seems like some of the things you pointed out would be things a LAG does rather than a TAG.

Which is not necessarily a bad thing, iso-ing more is something I probably need to do more often. But for instance 3-betting light is not something I want to do at 25nl. If I get too loose I can see myself slip into the barreling with air pattern more easily which is something I don't want.

About the table focus. You're partly right on that one. But I don't really mind folding a hand where I would normally maybe steal or iso if it means I can concentrate more on a big pot that is played elsewhere.

If there are multiple big pots at the same time obviously I will split my focus but generally if it means folding a marginal hand to concentrate on the other big hand(s) I don't mind doing that.

Well I don't remember everything I pointed out but to be honest, as a good TAG, you should be taking those spots where you just have more edge vs your opponent, you say it yourself in the video, most players are just not as aggressive and don't play back as much as they do at higher stakes.

You don't have to go crazy with your 3-bets but you have a good image to do it with in certain spots, so pick your spots, also I don't feel like you quite understand when we should be barreling and when we shouldn't be, I won't go in great detail but here are few small examples. Let's say a pretty tight reg opens, say you 3-bet him with QK from late position and he flats, now let's think about it, this is just an example, I'm not saying people never open suited connectors but let's just say from his stats and position you knew it was pp so now let's discuss how when we should be barreling.

ok let's say flop comes Jd 2h 3c, let's pretend villain has 8h8c for this example and you QhKh. So let's assume he is somewhat decent and look at it from his eyes, he checks and you lead, now if he is good he will take a look at your 3-bet stat really quick, let's say it's pretty low, and he should be thinking I know he doesn't 3-bet QJ/KJ/AJ/22/33 type hands here assuming your 3bet is pretty low and villain uses hud, so only hands he has to really worry about here, are JJ+ that have him beat on this flop, so if you lead out, I feel like any decent player would flat you or perhaps even raise, there could be an argument made for both, really situtiaon dependent/player dependent. So let's assume he does flat and turn comes A, and he checks back at us again, this is a good spot for you to double barrel and represent the A, but say turn bricked and another 2 came, if you bet again, its really much easier call since you just can't represent much there, oh yea I forgot to mention people will flat with like AQ, but your flop bet will sometimes get them to fold at 25nl, anyways so my point is, when you are double barreling, think about your range you can be representing amd think about opponents range and how he reacts, also don't try to barrel fish, they will just call you down, so barreling should be used for someone who we think is somewhat decent a reg thats multi tabling and won't take a creative line against you because they aren't paying as much attention.

And I strongly disagree with your statement about multi tabling, if you can't play that many tables and be able to concentrate on action at two tables then perhaps you should get used to 4 tables first and then add more, but think about it this way, say you do give up those spots everytime you are in a decent pot, well poker is a lon run game, think about it in say like 200k hands, I'm not sure what exactly it is but I wouldn't be surprised if you make like extra 2-3 stacks just by doing that, if you want to be "best player in the world" you have to maximize your edges and maximize your winrate anyway you can, those tiny steals don't seem as much but they sure do add up. Anyways gotta run now.
 
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Agree with you.
Maybe I said it wrong last night.
But I don't think I do that too often. Give up those steals. Basically when I'm not trying to give commentary while actually thinking about a hand I can do it easily :).

It's the whole forming my thoughts then talking about it part that took up more time than usual.

I agree with what u said about 3betting. And I try and barrel scare cards and less bricks. I think I'm doing it fine lately. My reading is improving too so I get a better idea of what they're playing and when I can push them off a hand. But tbh some of the things u said is pretty advanced for a 25nl player.

I have a feeling a lot of them just see J high, a cbet and less than a J in their hand. I mean they just play cards and board and if you are bluffing a lot or they just get a feeling I guess they'll float.

Maybe others can comment but I have a feeling you're giving them some respect they don't deserve here :).
 
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