Doubt of why avoid get into coinflips?

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I'm studyng a lot trying to perfect my gameplay, I saw a lot of players goes allin with any two cards, there are no justification for this action. But the worst thing, that I had made sometimes, is call with AJ+ or TT+, without read, basead only in the knowlaed the the player is weak, but some times we lost, and this simple action can make the entire good actions in the tournament fall down.

I'm folding more times, I have fold the top of my range for multways pot, when one player goes all in, generally others playes will call and any ace high or low pair can beat my cards, It's preferible wait for others spots, unless when we don't have enoughts chips.

The math is a great aliade for poker players, but we can't play counting only with the math, or we can get involved in situations that all our good actions is afected and we can lose by one move. Andre Akkari says one day in a youtube video of tips to play, if anyone try to bluff you, congratulations for him, but you need to mantain you best play and avoid theses spots.

After this point we have to think about what is the better spot for coinflips? close to the bubble I usually see plays in situations where coinflip is a excellent form of double the chips, or make other players lose, sometimes I know that the best action against certain playes, with my range, is call, but I prefer fold when have more players to action after me, is commom one of these players go allin, and my range will be less eficient against many players.
 
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I think you hold too much - I already release my arm a lot. we could make an adjustment, to be in the way of the middle this is: not too loose and not very safe - then we would be well.
Now with regard to flips, I think from the intermediate stage forward, there is no wrong situation to enter into one - since the money is at the final table. and to be more accurate in the first 3 places, and you do not get there without going through some of these situations. but the ideal is always to have double the opponent's chips.
Yesterday I even had a pair of 22 in the SB missing falling 5 players to enter
in cash the tournament was $ 250 a month the BB was huge and I knew that most of the time I was 50/50 and I pushed 7 bb and found my opponent with a pair of ladies, normal. many would disconnect the pair of 22. I know if I hold a little more probably I would enter the $ and would be $ 8.50, but I do not see this in those situations I always want to have a stack to fight for one of the top 3 places because it is where the money stays. I prefer to stay without going itm but have the chance to fight for one of these places. I think that those who do not have this mentality already get defeated. (My opinion) good luck
 
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I think you hold too much - I already release my arm a lot. we could make an adjustment, to be in the way of the middle this is: not too loose and not very safe - then we would be well.
Now with regard to flips, I think from the intermediate stage forward, there is no wrong situation to enter into one - since the money is at the final table. and to be more accurate in the first 3 places, and you do not get there without going through some of these situations. but the ideal is always to have double the opponent's chips.
Yesterday I even had a pair of 22 in the SB missing falling 5 players to enter
in cash the tournament was $ 250 a month the BB was huge and I knew that most of the time I was 50/50 and I pushed 7 bb and found my opponent with a pair of ladies, normal. many would disconnect the pair of 22. I know if I hold a little more probably I would enter the $ and would be $ 8.50, but I do not see this in those situations I always want to have a stack to fight for one of the top 3 places because it is where the money stays. I prefer to stay without going itm but have the chance to fight for one of these places. I think that those who do not have this mentality already get defeated. (My opinion) good luck


If I were in your place I would also shove with 22.

Shovar is less worse than call a shove, usually the range of hands tends to be shorter, and with a healthy stack, it's not worth jeopardizing the tournament to try to overthrow another player or win your chips without proper reading and cards , the only exception would be if you are playing bounty, with a good reward for him head, and have enough chips to continue playing even if you lose this coinflip.

In my last hands played I realized that I lost the tournament in hand that was in front, but the turn or the river were bad for me. With a stack to allow me to go to the itm without much effort, I consider as the best option waiting hands where I can actually get something out.
 
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If I were in your place I would also shove with 22.

Shovar is less worse than call a shove, usually the range of hands tends to be shorter, and with a healthy stack, it's not worth jeopardizing the tournament to try to overthrow another player or win your chips without proper reading and cards , the only exception would be if you are playing bounty, with a good reward for him head, and have enough chips to continue playing even if you lose this coinflip.

In my last hands played I realized that I lost the tournament in hand that was in front, but the turn or the river were bad for me. With a stack to allow me to go to the itm without much effort, I consider as the best option waiting hands where I can actually get something out.



I agree with you in parts.
One of the things I agree with is that in times of comfort you do not have to move. we know about 40bb 30bb 20bb 10bb do we know how to use this right tool?
What I disagree with is that you can not separate flip flip - because flip is flip.
I identify the flip in some ways or a combination of them.
Hand of hands that the player has been playing
Player's moment in the tournament.
and possibility of the deck.
When I see a player going all-in showing AJ + 22+, I want to pay at least 77 + AQ +, depending also on what I want.
At what point the player is falling and needs to move AT + 44+ sometimes 98s + depends ...

Already the combinations are combinations of 78 pairs of 1326 possible hands and then 1326-78 = 1248 the tendency here is to always have unpaired hands. This way, it's always a flip when I have a paid pair-depending on my overview. I'll talk below:
The problem is not seeing things obvious, because you need to understand what you want and are willing to do what you can to make it happen. so I know what I want "one of the first places". I know what I need
"chips to achieve this goal." and I know the unpaired hands, he has 94% of having those hands and 6% of not having them. so it's very easy for me to do what I want. There are more questions to be considered, but for now I think I've spent what I wanted.
 
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I agree in general with your thoughts but I would like to point out some of my thoughts too:

- I am a post flop player too , I like thinking about my opponent's range , what he is doing etc , I hate players who play all ins with 30bbs deeps pre or post flop.When I say post flop I mean with the turn and river cards yet to come. Most of the times you will encounter those players in freerolls and micro stakes MTTs / cash games. They don't care about the buy in.I like to play against villains who really care amount they are wasted to enter an MTT.

-On the other hand what else is more +EV from a resteal move when you are about 15-25bbs deep? You must maintain a healthy stack if you want to go deep to a tournament.So if the maths say that you should take some flips I will tend to believe that in the longterm those plays will make me a profitable player!

-I try to avoid flipping spots as well and most of the times seems that I had made the correct move. I have mucked several times my AKs against two more opponents simply because I wanted to make my moves post flop.

-Seems like almost everyone who claims that online poker is rigged loses to flips.Is way different to lose from a flip than a bad opponent who never folds.
 
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Have to win flips to win MTT's, some spots you just can't fold the top of your range or you become extremely exploitable vs any decent player. The mtt game has evolved enough to where you can't always run people over anymore, so you will have to call some shoves at some point with the better parts of your ranges to win MTT's :)
 
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