Donking..why is it supposed to be bad?

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Im often reading or watching in training videos people saying that if you bet out at a board OOP say with 10Joff on a Jh4s5s board, you will often get raised everytime

Why is that? I mean if the button limps in and the sb folds and this flop comes down, especialy at the lower stakes how likely is it that hes ahead?

Whats the general idea on donking?

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A true donk bet is considered to be when you bet into the pre flop raiser. Since in the hand you describe there was none I wouldnt say you donked it...

It is probably worth leading out in your situation tho.
 
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Donk betting is pretty much what it means, bad players betting out and making our decisions very easy when we're in position. However, sometimes we can actually use the donk bet to our advantage as an alternative line of betting ourselves. So say for example, you're oop and you flop a set after calling a pf raise. Your usual line here might be to chk/raise, so now you might try to donk bet and get villains to spaz out.
 
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I would say that it would be a stretch to say that you will get raised everytime. Pair of Jacks with a higher kicker or a possible 2 pair, but then they would be donking. Maybe a possible flush or straight draw, but they are still draws.
 
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Thanks for the replies guys

Im saying this because a successful tournament player, Jonathan little talks about that in one of his training videos where he critiques his students donking on 2 boards in particular... So I was wondering what teh deal was.
 
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Well, one negative is that you'll often miss out on picking up a cbet because the preflop raiser will just fold to your donk bet. Sometimes he'll flat your donk bet and wait to see how you play the turn. Other times he'll raise your donk bet leaving you with very little information about the strength of his hand as it compares to yours and you'll be guessing as if your hand is good or if you're miles behind.

Basically playing OOP always sucks but by donk betting you're generally making it suck even more. Now if you have a specific read that a player always raises donk bets, donking the strongest part of your range can make sense. Same with a player who doesn't cbet but will call bets to the river with less than TP. But these are specific cases where donk betting makes sense, but taking a donk bet line in general makes your hand harder to play in most cases such as in your example.
 
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Maybe a possible flush or straight draw, but they are still draws.

Incomplete flush and straight draws have the highest percentage to win on the flop.

If I flop a nut draw, I'm going to raise the flop in a lot of situations. (Minimum 8 percieved outs or better)
 
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