Donk psychology

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So can anybody come up with a coherent thought process for the line this guy is taking? It just baffles me how someone can play a hand like this. I probably played it really badly as well because I have no idea what is the best way to deal with this sort of villain.
I realize I probably should've raised or folded pre, btw.

full tilt poker $2 + $0.25 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t15/t30 Blinds - 8 players - View hand 1017010
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

BTN: t1455 48.50 BBs
SB: t1410 47 BBs
BB: t3225 107.50 BBs
UTG: t1500 50 BBs
UTG+1: t1500 50 BBs
MP1: t1410 47 BBs
MP2: t1500 50 BBs
Hero (CO): t1500 50 BBs

Pre Flop: (t45) Hero is CO with K :heart: J :spade:
2 folds, MP1 calls t30, 1 fold, Hero calls t30, BTN calls t30, 1 fold, BB raises to t120, MP1 calls t90, Hero calls t90, 1 fold

Flop: (t405) A :club: 2 :spade: K :spade: (3 players)
BB bets t240, MP1 folds, Hero calls t240

Turn: (t885) T :heart: (2 players)
BB bets t180, Hero calls t180

River: (t1245) 9 :spade: (2 players)
BB bets t420, Hero calls t420

Final Pot: t2085
BB shows Q :club: 3 :diamond: (Ace King high)
Hero shows K :heart: J :spade: (a pair of Kings)
Hero wins t2085
 
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forgetting that we now know the outcome of what he had, why did u call the flop, turn, river? did u think that he had complete air? and why?
 
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Not to mention the limp preflop...

ugly.
 
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not sure

Im learning this game myself but i would have folder after the flop
 
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just cause he showed q high does not mean ur play was really correct. This play would hardly ever work and u basically got lucky that he wasnt crushing u. KQ, A2+ has u dominated (although u can rule out A rags) along with 99+
 
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his thoughts:



"OMG CLICKING BUTTONS IS SO FUN"


though apparently your thought process wasn't much different
 
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Fold preflop (don't call a limp with KJo).

Flop > FOLD
Turn > FOLD
River> FOLD

After taking down the pot - ask neighbour's kid to finish game. then > Head to library & pick up a poker book.
 
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this thread wouldn't be a level... would it?

You got me there at first, lol.
 
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So can anybody come up with a coherent thought process for the line this guy is taking? It just baffles me how someone can play a hand like this. I probably played it really badly as well because I have no idea what is the best way to deal with this sort of villain.
I realize I probably should've raised or folded pre, btw.

Full Tilt Poker $2 + $0.25 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t15/t30 Blinds - 8 players - View hand 1017010
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

BTN: t1455 48.50 BBs
SB: t1410 47 BBs
BB: t3225 107.50 BBs
UTG: t1500 50 BBs
UTG+1: t1500 50 BBs
MP1: t1410 47 BBs
MP2: t1500 50 BBs
Hero (CO): t1500 50 BBs

Pre Flop:(t45) Hero is CO with K ♥ J♠
2 folds, MP1 calls t30, 1 fold, Hero calls t30, BTN calls t30, 1 fold, BB raises to t120, MP1 calls t90, Hero calls t90, 1 fold


"Nobody will put me on a hand like Q3, so when the flop comes Q73, I'll stack hands like AA,KK, AQ. I'm just getting massive implied odds. I can also represent hands like AK if an A or a K hits."

Flop:A♣ 2♠ K♠ BB bets t240, MP1 folds, Hero calls t240

"Nice! AK! Lets represent it!"

Turn: (t885) T ♥
BB bets t180, Hero calls t180


"Damn, he called. But we've turned a gutshot straight draw. If I can hit a J I'll stack him..Plus we got fold equity."

River:9♠
BB bets t420, Hero calls t420


"Damn river always screwing me over, thanks jokerstars...no way out of this mess but to rep a hand like AA, KK, or AK. Why hasn't Villain folded? I raised pre-flop, maybe this one will do the job."
 
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there's no way anyone in this hand knows the meaning of the word "equity"
 
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"Nobody will put me on a hand like Q3, so when the flop comes Q73, I'll stack hands like AA,KK, AQ. I'm just getting massive implied odds. I can also represent hands like AK if an A or a K hits."



"Nice! AK! Lets represent it!"



"Damn, he called. But we've turned a gutshot straight draw. If I can hit a J I'll stack him..Plus we got fold equity."



"Damn river always screwing me over, thanks jokerstars...no way out of this mess but to rep a hand like AA, KK, or AK. Why hasn't Villain folded? I raised pre-flop, maybe this one will do the job."

thats funny lol this was probably a mistake for this guy to post this without wanting to get hassled for his play
 
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All the possible mistakes from "what not to do" book are here. There is a thread opened by Flechdad . This should be posted there.
Marginal hand with a call from CO, calling station untill end, the other one is bluffing a calling station, etc.

Have i missed something:)
 
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All the possible mistakes from "what not to do" book are here. There is a thread opened by Flechdad . This should be posted there.
Marginal hand with a call from CO, calling station untill end, the other one is bluffing a calling station, etc.

Have i missed something:)


Actually the thread was opened by jillychemung (https://www.cardschat.com/forum/tournament-poker-59/examples-what-not-do-186503/), I just posted an incredibly bad played hand (kind of like this hand, bad play from both me and villain, although mine was probably worse). And, yes, this hand would fit right in there.

To OP, its all been said, but my 2 cents. If you are going to play this hand, there is really only one option IMO (other than just fold btw my option #1,) and this option is totally table dependent, meaning you think you can get everyone, including the limper, to fold, or in worst case, call. And that is to raise PF. And after your raise you are done putting money in this pot unless the flop puts you ahead, which it did, but we only know this after the fact, so I am folding this hand on the flop to this raise, even tho I cant see WTF villain was thinking, if he was thinking at all.
 
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i just found the 45 players 1 dollar SNGs from FT. Played 2 of them. 4th place and 1st place. It is just like poker heaven. Worst players i have ever seen. You need to play just 2-3 hands to get ITM. Supertight. If you have a monster kick the hell out of it cose donks will call to see if they are lucky. At the second one i found myself chipleader with a stack 4 times the second one. I do not know why but every time i had Aces or kings someone joined me untill the river:)
Donk psychology is " Someone raised hard? Maybe i get lucky with my J3 and maybe if i can get lucky another time i will get in the money".
 
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one type of donkey for you:

The Calling Station:

How to Recognize Them

Always calls and almost never raises.
Has a hard time letting go of a hand if he has made a pair (either a pocket pair or any pair on the flop).

Strategies for Playing Them

Never bluff a calling station – they will pay you off enough when you have a hand.
If you have a strong hand, don’t slow play. Bet as much as you think they will call.
If they ever do raise, beware, they usually have a strong hand so play cautiously.
 
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Here's a fun little exercise. Find a friend who is just rather clueless...knows the rules to the game and stuff, but has never studied strategy. Pay his way into a game online, and just sit and watch him and ask him to tell you what he's thinking. Don't correct him or give him advice. Just listen. It's a learning experience.
 
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Was villian's name water boat by any chance?
 
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He either doesn't know the game or was clearly playing you and not the pot.. he missed the big river bet to make that play work.
 
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Whilst we will never know what the "donks" thought process was, perhaps OP will give us an insite to why he calls down 3 streets (2/3 of his stack) with second pair ish kicker.

Inoredr to do that you have to have a good feel for his overall range.. which in turn means you shouldnt be asking what he was thinking to play his hand like this, you should know.

i.e villian bluffs a lot of flops, his turn size bet is always stangely low when he bluffs and he usualy follows through with a blocking bet sized river bluff.

In which case you know exactly what he was thinking. "Im going to rep an ace"

Not knowing and calling down 3 streets is not something you should be doing.
 
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