Does anyone know of any good 'current' resources on Postflop play?

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What prompted this question is that I was in an online tournament with a good TAG player.

As an example, defensively, that player check/folded TPTK heads-up on the river on a A9632 board to sustained pressure on every street (no draws other than the unlikely 87, 54 after he raised 5BB from EP). Then he showed AKs after mucking ..he 'knew' his opponent had 2-pair or a set (he had A6s).

Personally, I would assume the opponent would have KK-TT, AQ-AJ to call a 5BB EP raise, so I would have called his raises all the way ..but these days, with weak players playing every AX at any price, the fold makes perfect sense: you're very likely facing 2-pair.

And when winning, the TAG 'cleaned up': 2/3 of the time with a much better hand, 1/3 of the time with fold-equity because everyone was totally intimidated.

I was thinking of Negreanu's 'Small Ball' chapter in his book. Or maybe I should review Harrington 1 & 2 again (but is his advice 'dated'; it's been many years since I've read his tournament books).

Thanks.
 
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My input

Just remember to bet pairs a third of the time. You hit the set then. It is like this. Five cards, you have two of the cards. Eighteen to twenty dealt, each card dealt roughly twice. However, you have two. So it should be a third. Thirteen cards, five chances. Five out of thirteen.
 
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Just remember to bet pairs a third of the time. You hit the set then. It is like this. Five cards, you have two of the cards. Eighteen to twenty dealt, each card dealt roughly twice. However, you have two. So it should be a third. Thirteen cards, five chances. Five out of thirteen.

What In the world am I reading here. I read It, and re-read and again re-re-re-read It and I still have no clue:confused:
 
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I can't advise books but finding a twitch/youtube channel with your limmit nl2-nl500 is easy. If he is winning - he is doing something right... right?
From what I've seen to many books have not enought info vs VODs. The concept that will take you to get in 5 min will be shown and explained to you in 3 min vs 50 pages... but with pictures.
From your exmp. I have to think that the "TAG" palyer has seen this kind of play from "weaker" player. Generaly speaking if you see 60/25 over 100hands and the "weak" player calls for 3 streets you better be holding flushes and sets.
Again, did not read Negreanus book but post flop advice from 2013(as in free on the internet) is more than relevent now from whhat I can experience. The amount of not-knowing-how-to-play-this-LAG-strategy LAG players is big, but it did not rise in last 1-2 years... I mean LAG who does not know when to fold is a fish right? =)
In addition you can not discount varience you AA is bound to lose to A8o at some
 
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What prompted this question is that I was in an online tournament with a good TAG player.

As an example, defensively, that player check/folded TPTK heads-up on the river on a A9632 board to sustained pressure on every street (no draws other than the unlikely 87, 54 after he raised 5BB from EP). Then he showed AKs after mucking ..he 'knew' his opponent had 2-pair or a set (he had A6s).

Personally, I would assume the opponent would have KK-TT, AQ-AJ to call a 5BB EP raise, so I would have called his raises all the way ..but these days, with weak players playing every AX at any price, the fold makes perfect sense: you're very likely facing 2-pair.

And when winning, the TAG 'cleaned up': 2/3 of the time with a much better hand, 1/3 of the time with fold-equity because everyone was totally intimidated.

I was thinking of Negreanu's 'Small Ball' chapter in his book. Or maybe I should review Harrington 1 & 2 again (but is his advice 'dated'; it's been many years since I've read his tournament books).

Thanks.

I have been doing a crap load of reading and watching, not sure if I'm learning or not, but here is my take.

The early position raise. You are looking at top 10% of hands, big hands, like AA KK QQ, AQ AK etc

Now to call that raise, do you call with the same or similar hand as the raiser, or hand that will make a completely different hand.

Now the better player, if up against a similar good player, knows the caller likely called much further down the range of the top 10% of hands and As being within that range. That board, that action, those players, good fold.

These guys pretty much know exactly what you are playing and when, because you are likely following all the rules. To beat that, they play something completely different from a better position giving them 2 ways to win the pot to your 1 way.

In addition, the EP raiser knows the caller knows exactly what he has and yet is still very aggressive, not much reason for that aggression unless you have TPTK beat.

Yeah I think I'm getting it now, just need to stop getting fckd and I think I may do OK. LOL
 
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Poker is like golf, a minute to learn, a lifetime to master. You could read every book and watch every video on golf but your still going to suck. It's something you have to play and keep tweaking. Same with poker. Once you learn the basics you have to put in hundreds of thousands of hands, sorry, no shortcut. At the low levels, simple TAG wins. If you aren't winning you need to fix your game. After you have a solid game, the videos and articles will help refine your game. You keep adding to your skill set. If you try skipping steps, it won't work.
 
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the difference in the optimal match your example and is not optimal
 
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Poker is like golf, a minute to learn, a lifetime to master. You could read every book and watch every video on golf but your still going to suck. It's something you have to play and keep tweaking. Same with poker. Once you learn the basics you have to put in hundreds of thousands of hands, sorry, no shortcut. At the low levels, simple TAG wins. If you aren't winning you need to fix your game. After you have a solid game, the videos and articles will help refine your game. You keep adding to your skill set. If you try skipping steps, it won't work.
What he said.

Was watching some great poker videos on youtube, great resource available to many people now. Even some great players are suggesting it's no longer a lifetime like it once was. People are doing in months what used to take decades to do. And they are progressing further than ever before.

However there does come a time when TAG gets crushed.

These guys have mastered all the math, and not the math of what are the chances I hit my set. But the math of kicking the crap out of the TAG player. The TAG player goes down slower than a LAG player, but they still go down and down hard and with a ton of risk and swings associated with it.

Watching twitch, these guys at the very high level are crushing it without any care in the world what cards they hold. Its not important. You want to call your weeks or months wages on your 2 pair, go ahead, but you likely won't. And if you see the junk they are holding you would kick yourself.

But what gets to be total BS, is when they are called, what happens next, just no beating that BS.
 
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