Do you Play considering Odds, Pot Odds and Implicit Odds?

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Sklansky says:
If we play the hand like we would do seeing the cards of our opponents, we win. If we play different, we lose.

The poker is based on to suppose cards to our opponents, sometimes we can not imagine what they wear opponents and we will suppose cards; others will deduct from your bets and attitudes yours cards and we can apply the calculations.
What do you think?
 
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You need to take odds into account of course, and make best guesses on opponents holding.

There is no firm and fast rule but after playing with players for a while and making notes of their actions a good read of opponents is possible and so bluff and pot odds etc all come into play.
 
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Much depends on the game opponents. When there is information about the game opponents, I'll play based primarily on this.
 
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Absolutely. It's very important. However, sometimes I ignore all of that and go with my gut. But, yes, for the most part I do take odds/pot odds/implied odds into account when trying to make my decision.
 
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if you do not count on the course will be a minus.
 
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I often make notes of players and sometimes to my advantage :)
 
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You must have in mind the maths and gather mathematic experiences too.
 
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Yes so you read the opponent to have a pair of Aces, still you our need the right odds to draw out to a better hand! If the opponent knew what you had exactly he would bet to make the odds unreasonable for you to draw. You see how the odds are also covered in David's statement...
 
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Also you cannot deduce someone's hand preflop but use a range of hands given how your opponent plays and his betting style. As you go down the flop, turn and river you make bets or analyze bets to narrow down the range and put him on specific cards. Even after all the hard work you might not be accurate and your opponent may be using game theory to throw you off or something :p
 
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In plan on using as much info as I can get when hands are shown and look at how they betted. Then hopefully build a picture of the range of hands they'll play in and out of position and the style they seem to play. Will also see if they appear to be using the pot odds and outs rule. If so and I have a good idea of the hands they'd play I'd perhaps at times try to use it to my advantage and bet in a way which puts them off or perhaps makes them put me on a weaker hand. Anyway this is my plan so need to get faster I think at working out outs and pot odds.
 
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Sklansky says:
If we play the hand like we would do seeing the cards of our opponents, we win. If we play different, we lose.
What do you think?

Correct me if i am wrong, but he was talking about seeing your opponents cards, after flop turn and river, then you can know, ok im stronger, but preflop, even if your opponent has KK, and you are with A 5, you can call him and win.

I am trying to tell, that the odds before flop turn and river, and so non relevant. AA loses so often, any high pair (which is "predicted to win"). My odds are always 50/50 before flop. with every cards. ( that is just my math. ) :)
 
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Sure aa can loose but should be able to adjust your play depending on more than just the maths of poker. If it was just as simple as maths then e everyone would be great. Ill always raise with pocket aces, how much I raise depends on who else is in the hand and how I have seen them play before. I used to always try slow play pocket aces and then feel annoyed when I'd loose to a crappy two pair. Then I'd go to an all in move and very rarely get called so feel as I'd I didn't get value. As I've played more though I've started taking in players behaviours more and that determines how I play my aces. Also I'm not scared to fold them as painful as it is depending on the range I put the players on and the cards dealt. I guess everyone is different, when you say you just count your odds as 50/50 your still using things such as position to determine what hands are playable right? Also would you feel different if you was playing higher stake games? Only say that as at times I've played hands and being honest if it was costing me more to the point where the loss would affect me I'd of probably folded. If I loose 20 dollars in the hope of hitting a card who cares, 200 however ill think about it more.
 
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Sklansky says:
If we play the hand like we would do seeing the cards of our opponents, we win. If we play different, we lose.

The poker is based on to suppose cards to our opponents, sometimes we can not imagine what they wear opponents and we will suppose cards; others will deduct from your bets and attitudes yours cards and we can apply the calculations.
What do you think?
take to the attention of the calculation, but the residual decision is up to me depen
 
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I always play the odds and pot odds. Implied odds are too unpredictable to base any calculation on, that they are not worth bothering about
 
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I factor in only pot odds when making decisions. Implied odds make the decision more complex than it has to be, and some beginners use implied odds to justify making a bad decision ( for example, " I have J-8. With a board of 10h, Qh, and Js, I am getting about 2.5:1 on a call for my gutshot straight draw, but if I hit one of my 4 outs on either fourth or fifth street, and my opponent hasn't made a better hand than me, than I can expect my opponent to call a pot sized bet and pay me off. Calling is therefore a profitable play.")
 
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