The difference between Sklansky bucks and Galford bucks

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What exactly is the difference between Sklansky dollars and Galford dollars?

Both have to do with the money you get into the pot while ahead, but how do they work exactly? And how do they compare with the all-in EV graph that PT4 has?


And to make it clearer with an example, how do they apply to the hand below?

partypoker - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 101.5 BB (VPIP: 32.58, PFR: 18.18, 3Bet Preflop: 5.41, hands: 91)
BB: 136.5 BB (VPIP: 23.71, PFR: 16.49, 3Bet Preflop: 5.88, Hands: 99)
UTG: 78.5 BB (VPIP: 5.88, PFR: 5.88, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 37)
Hero (MP): 197 BB
CO: 93.5 BB (VPIP: 16.37, PFR: 11.06, 3Bet Preflop: 1.18, Hands: 230)
BTN: 110.5 BB (VPIP: 44.00, PFR: 28.00, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 26)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A:diamond: A:club:

fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, SB calls 2.5 BB, fold

Flop: (7 BB, 2 players) 5:spade: T:diamond: Q:spade:
SB checks, Hero bets 5 BB, SB calls 5 BB

Turn: (17 BB, 2 players) 5:diamond:
SB checks, Hero bets 12 BB, SB calls 12 BB

River: (41 BB, 2 players) 9:club:
SB bets 1 BB, Hero calls 1 BB

SB shows J:spade: K:club: (Straight, King High)
(Pre 13%, Flop 27%, Turn 9%)
Hero mucks A:diamond: A:club: (Two Pair, Aces and Fives)
(Pre 87%, Flop 73%, Turn 91%)
SB wins 41 BB

I think I won a lot of Sklansky and/or Galford dollars here, but how many, and how exactly?
 
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It is like ...classic mechanics and quantum mechanics.
there is unable to calculate on this hand.
need to calculate based on range. your info post here is Not enough to get a result.
 
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Then explain how they work without calculating them for the hand. How do Sklansky dollars work? How do Galford dollars work?

Are Sklansky bucks the amount of dollars put in, multiplied by your equity vs villain's specific hand on each street (as in: 87% of 7BB preflop + 73% of 10BB flop + 91% of 24BB turn + 0% of 2BB river) while Galford bucks use ranges, making it very complicated? Is that it?
 
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Then explain how they work without calculating them for the hand. How do Sklansky dollars work? How do Galford dollars work?

Are Sklansky bucks the amount of dollars put in, multiplied by your equity vs villain's specific hand on each street (as in: 87% of 7BB preflop + 73% of 10BB flop + 91% of 24BB turn + 0% of 2BB river) while Galford bucks use ranges, making it very complicated? Is that it?

Galfond buck makes like P all situtation multi play by Results from all situation on a limited times= G bucks value.
PS: if on an unlimited times average it means equity.

P all situation could be one or could be millions on average
R is the one match with that.

you know what means all situation generally means , you sittting with exactly the same 9 player, same board, but different cards on both side ....limited times or all times you two possible sitting together.

first in this case you are not only representing AA right? you may have AA, KK, QQ bla bla

he may not representing a draw, he may have set two pair ...bla bla

you need to make each element by element...
that is why unable to calculate here, your range- who knows
his range-- who knows?

it is only you - the hero who truly understand the situation, not others. - and limited times...humm who knows you will sitting with this player for how many hands...1K? 2K? 100K together?
 
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extreme result here

if this player plays only this hand and disappears forever.
then your S bucks= G bucks= amount you lost exactly here.
in other words, you will never get your equity loss back from this player.
 
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So Galford bucks makes the entire EV calculation on every decision (vs opponent's range) but takes your entire range in account as well (instead of your specific hand)?

Did I at least get the Sklansky bucks right? :D
 
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So Galford bucks makes the entire EV calculation on every decision (vs opponent's range) but takes your entire range in account as well (instead of your specific hand)?

Did I at least get the Sklansky bucks right? :D
Is this your result?

87% of 7BB preflop + 73% of 10BB flop + 91% of 24BB turn + 0% of 2BB river
=35.23?

this is from my EV sheet, and since hands are revealed, it is S bucks...

so my result is 34.81.
Dollars


I know where is wrong in your calculation...:D
 
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PS: got wrong here.
S buck is EV - amount you invest
According to my sheet

S bucks should be 34.81- 3-5-12-1= 13.81Big blinds that is S bucks.
S bucks in dollars is 13.81*0.02 = 0.27USD before Rake
 
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I know where is wrong in your calculation...:D
I'm just trying to grasp the difference between both concepts. The exact calculation is not so important.

At least this confirms that I had the Sklansky concept more or less right. I just had no clue how the Galford concept worked.

Thanks.
 
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Sklansky's book where he deals with his 8 preflop groups is full of shit. If you apply his groups and play them by his positions you'll be losing your ass. That's not the way to play winning poker for sure. Not even him is following his 8 groups strategy. That's a big nonsense that muddles your brain and helps you losing even faster.
 
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