Deep stack poker

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can someone please explain to me what the difference is in strategy when playing deepstacked. 200BB+ . if you can pinpoint some basic differences,that would be great. anything related to set mining for example or 3,4,5 betting. and what these mean when playing deepstacked in comparison to 100BB stack games.

Deep stack poker tips in general? ex. whats profitable,whats unprofitable in comparison to normal stacks
 
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I couldn't tell you what the preferred strategy is, but I know that I probably play backwards of everyone else. I like to play tight in a DS early on. I have the chips to hang back and not worry about the blinds for quite some time. Therefore I pick my spots wisely and usually only play monsters early on.

Ofc later on it gets to be the same as any tourny in later stages. I usually run a lot deeper in DS I noticed. SS is even better. Almost a guaranteed cash in SS for me...
 
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Well there are books written on the subject so I won't go any farther than to say that when you get to deep stack you can really get into playing some REAL small ball poker. So that's where you should focus your energy for 200 BB. You have more bullets so you can afford to do things like fire warning shots (3-bet backoff buddy) without crippling yourself.

Most tournaments guys like us play, though they may start around 100 BB, you really can't (or shouldn't) get into small ball - or at least not for more than a span of time measured in minutes - because the rapid escalation of the blinds puts you at around 50 BB or less really fast.

So it's not just about starting stack size but how fast the blinds escalate forcing you away from small ball becuase it is just no longer feasible to make speculative investments with a shorter stack - it's kind of like a microcosm of bankroll management. Sure you can beat the odds by doing what you shoudn't do, but in the long run it's a loser.
 
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how deep is our opponents stack have to be for setmining to be profitable?
 
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deep stack ,means you must be more careful. and if you only have below 20BB,you have pair of 8,just all in which make you earn money in long term.
 
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Let's pretend you hold Jd8d and you see a flop of Qc10h9h. Surely, you could see worse flops, but the lesson here is if you see multiple opponents continue in this hand, it may be a clear sign of trouble. Your hand has no chance to improve. You flopped a Queen-high straight on a very wet board. That's it. No more help is coming. The possibility of a flopped King high straight is already there. Also, draws to a higher straight or to a flush are definitely possible, as well as flopped sets drawing to full boats.[link removed~tb]chat software[/url]

lolwut. This has nothing to do with the OP and you seem to be advertising something as well.

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lolwut. This has nothing to do with the OP and you seem to be advertising something as well.
where did u see that post and answer to it? is it from another thread?
 
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Nah this thread but a mod must have cleaned it up, nothing to see here move along :p
 
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Setmining, you should have anywhere between 10:1 and 25:1 implied odds (stack:current bet ratio), depending on how likely you are to get paid (if you know villain has AA and won't fold, you can get by with less implied odds). It has little to do with stack size except that you'll have odds to setmine more often.

Playing deep is harder against fish, but many regs adjust poorly. The key is that you need to understand what hands play well in different Stack to Pot ratios, and to get creative when betting to setup the ratios you want. It's hard to give one size fits all advice, and unless there's a reason to be deep, I generally try to keep my stack at 100 bb's.
 
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Playing deep is harder against fish, but many regs adjust poorly. The key is that you need to understand what hands play well in different Stack to Pot ratios, and to get creative when betting to setup the ratios you want. It's hard to give one size fits all advice, and unless there's a reason to be deep, I generally try to keep my stack at 100 bb's.

Maybe I'm reading it wrong but do you mean playing deeper against fish is more difficult as opposed to say, 100bb deep?

I find the deeper stacks get against worse players, the much better it is.


Also OP; Basically playing 250bb as opposed to 100bb means you can widen your range significantly more especially when in position. Suited connectors, random gap connectors in position play really well deep and a lot more difficult spots for worse players can arise quite often when playing this deep.
 
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In deep stack, you want to see more flops in position, and you are generally shoving less. You also have more implied odds when playing low pocket pairs, Ax suited hands, and you might want to call in some spots with a draw instead of normally re-shoving.
 
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