DEEEP IN is allin 22 correct?

just moved to a new tbl (so no player knowledge)

im BB(12000) 8bbs left (4-5orbits?)
mid position villian raises 3xbb every1 else folded
im last place of 15- 10 places paid

holding 22
do you shove here?

hope this is proper info for analysis
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I would fold, imo someone that bets 3x at this level isn't folding and do you really want to get into a race with 22? now if he raised 2x I'd shove

I'd wait and shove atc late pos in an unopened pot

2'2s really aren't any good to re-shove someone who has opened already..
I'd rather shove any two cards than this pair.

I think decues are any good for actually shoving with in the hope of getting folds, not really want to be all-in with in most cases.

If the player has opened/folded before or you have any info on him that might make the decision easier then but able to give a better answer

Since u have no reads on this guy I'd say fold. If you thought u could steal here maybe but this guy has u covered and would probably call anyway. I'd wait for a better hand.

if you've seen him r/f to similar shoves before, shove, if he calls a lot, fold

without reads, fold. probably shoving 66+

thx all
funny, usually the advise here is to push
so Ive been workin on my aggression more
and stupid me pushed- came against 55... game over
5 hrs in and so close to the $$$
o well

No reads....so fold !!!
Even if u have a read....fold against 60%of different type of players !!!

I'd stick it in.

ramdeebam said:

If the player has opened/folded before or you have any info on him that might make the decision easier then but able to give a better answer

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So we're hoping villain is bad enough that they're 3x & fold to a SS shove while getting over 2to1? (71k to call a pot of 158k)

Pascal-lf said:

if you've seen him r/f to similar shoves before, shove,

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No doubt.. but do we figure he's r/f in other spots to 8x SS shoves? (seems doubtful at best)

baudib1 said:

I'd stick it in.

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I'd prob stop 'n go with a near pot-sized bet left in stack (to shove on any flop)... if not, > shove

he still has to call 6bb out of his 15bb stack, so even though it might sound like a small shove relative to actual stack sizes its fairly large

btw we should probably look for a spot before being stuck in the BB to get it in.