Dealing with overbetters

Discordian93

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Hi there, I'm new to the forum. As i have mentioned in my introductory post, I'm new to poker and I'm still a total fish, so I apologize beforehand if I say something really dumbtarded.
So, basically, playing sit&gos and a few freeroll tournaments, I keep running into the same problem I don't know how to deal with: extremely aggresive players. They bet WAAAY more than the pot, sometimes even they o all-in before the flop. I know I have to be tight and not fall into the bog bets without a good hand, and I never go all-in preflop, however my problem is:
I play very tight, and only play good hands. I tend to do the standard 3 times BB when I get a good hand, and either call or re-raise if other player raises depending on whether have a starting hand or a made hand.
It has worked well a few times, but most of the time this tight playstyle makes the blinds eat away my stack, as I seem to have horrible luck and have rags after rags as hole cards, or the other players will gradually raise to ridicolous levels pre-flop, and when the flop comes and none of my cards hit, I have been left with so few chips I can't really fold, and for some reason their crap hands always make a flush, a straight or a full house, while my KQs go to the dumpster. Worse, I tend to be having the most probabilities to win in the flop and turn, only for them to get the card they needed to win in the river.
Sometimes it seems the cards ****ing mock me, it may be my imagination, but 50% of the time I fold pre-flop a 7-2, the flop is two 2s and 7...
So yeah, I don't know what to do. I'd attribute it to horrible luck, but there are people who manage to consistently win microstakes sit&go, so they have to have a way to fend off that bad luck that I don't know about.

Sorry if I sounded stupid, tell me if you need hand stories, etc... and I hope you can help :eek:
 
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Nothing is stupid in poker...

Hi!

You sound like me a year ago...

Playing tight is part of the game in a tournament or sit n go, BUT, has I said, this is PART of it...

After the third round of blinds, you should become more "loose" in your game... take calculated risk and use your position to bluff. Then "overbetters" will become afraid of you!

Continue to play and pratice... read about poker!
 
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If you haven't already, read a couple of books & also read the strategy articles here on Cardschat. (trust me.. you're not just getting 'unlucky').

Couple of good books to get you started:
Phil Gordon's 'Little Green Book'
then for SNG's >
Collin Moshmann's SNG Strategy
also
Secrets of Sit n' gos by Phil Shaw

Read that & you'll be well on your way. A worthwhile investment that'll pay for itself in $'s & enjoyment of the game.

gl gl

PS, I'd like to give you a simple answer to your post here but imo there isn't one.
 
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If you haven't already, read a couple of books & also read the strategy articles here on Cardschat. (trust me.. you're not just getting 'unlucky').

Couple of good books to get you started:
Phil Gordon's 'Little Green Book'
then for SNG's >
Collin Moshmann's SNG Strategy
also
Secrets of Sit n' gos by Phil Shaw

Read that & you'll be well on your way. A worthwhile investment that'll pay for itself in $'s & enjoyment of the game.

gl gl

PS, I'd like to give you a simple answer to your post here but imo there isn't one.



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As you will find, should you decide to hang around here, this gentleman provides solid advice.
 
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As you will find, should you decide to hang around here, this gentleman provides solid advice.
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Discordian93

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Well, thansk for the answers! I'll try to get these books.
One more question, I tend to lose most of the time in heads up sit&go's, should I stop playing these and focus in ring s&g's? I can hardly win them, but playing thight and following some basic tips has usually worked for me to reach a third or second place.
 
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Dealing with overbettors is the same as any other decision. Put chips in when you have equity and pot odds vs. their range.
 
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Heads up is it's own unique thing that you really need to study. Sticking to the games you do better at is a good way to go while you're learning, once you figure them out then move on to a harder game. As for the original question, over betting is more common in the low cost sng or freerolls, but pay attention to the range they're doing that with, some might only do it with good holdings, others not so much.
 
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best advise for beginners is to be patient.
If you are on a loosing streak, don't push and try and get it all back in 1 sitting. I have found over the years playing online poker that everyone has good and bad days. It is important to recognize them and act accordingly. If you lose 3-4 in a row, quit for the day. If you start out on a roll, keep playing until it dies out. Sometimes it could last 3-5 days. But never more than that without having an off day.
Remember also, you are not playing cards, you are playing poker. Best of luck out there
 
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Full tables are better for beginners. You can (and IMO should) learn to play solid ABC poker first, and full tables give you the best chance to do so. The shorter the tables, the more you'll have to make slimmer judgments, the kinds that are very difficult to make consistently well without the benefit of having seen them repeatedly. HU is obviously the toughest. I'd expect a decent HU player (not even a really good one) to crush a newb.
 
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I typically will play tighter against over bettors... with 8$ in a pot, and someone bets 20, i'm getting 28:20 on my money, or 1.4:1 or so, which isn't that great of odds even to call with middle or even top pair sometimes.... its one of those times where the bettor is pushing out everyone he beats...and the only people who call him are people who have him crushed.
 
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Hi there, just dropping by to say I've started reading the "little Green Book" a few days ago and I think I have already improved my game, finally I have stopped losing all my (small) deposits in a few days after doing them and I've started to have profits. Probably the part I've found most useful is the chapter on tilt management, it seems that ebfore, when I had some losses, I tried playing a lot of hands to recover my money and only ended up losing more....
I'll keep reading it, it seems a really useful book, thanks, Orifice!
 
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