could i of made more?

could i of made more with in these hands? how was my play?

Hand#2832015963001260 - Rome (6-max, shallow) 15963 -- $0.02/$0.04 NL Hold'em -- 2012/01/06 - 15:23:09
Dealer: Seat 10
Seat 1: Stoneyman ($1.53 in chips)
Seat 2: fishingdiago ($1.85 in chips)
Seat 8: IIIStresSIII ($0.98 in chips)
Seat 10: Ant_256 ($1.48 in chips)
Stoneyman: posts small blind $0.02
fishingdiago: posts big blind $0.04
Dealt to Stoneyman [8c,7c]
IIIStresSIII: folds
Ant_256: raises to $0.11
Stoneyman: calls $0.09
fishingdiago: calls $0.07
*** FLOP *** [4c,6c,5c]
Stoneyman: checks
fishingdiago: bets $0.17
Ant_256: calls $0.17
Stoneyman: raises to $0.34
fishingdiago: calls $0.17
Ant_256: calls $0.17
*** TURN *** [5h]
Stoneyman: bets $0.32
fishingdiago: folds
Ant_256: folds
Stoneyman: returns uncalled bet $0.32
***SHOW DOWN***
Stoneyman: shows [8c 7c]
Stoneyman wins $1.26

and this one

Hand#2832015963001267 - Rome (6-max, shallow) 15963 -- $0.02/$0.04 NL Hold'em -- 2012/01/06 - 15:28:22
Dealer: Seat 2
Seat 1: Stoneyman ($2.24 in chips)
Seat 2: fishingdiago ($1.21 in chips)
Seat 8: IIIStresSIII ($2.20 in chips)
Seat 9: rincon17 ($2.12 in chips)
Seat 10: Ant_256 ($1.72 in chips)
IIIStresSIII: posts small blind $0.02
rincon17: posts big blind $0.04
Dealt to Stoneyman [2h,2c]
Ant_256: calls $0.04
Stoneyman: raises to $0.08
fishingdiago: folds
IIIStresSIII: folds
rincon17: calls $0.04
Ant_256: calls $0.04
*** FLOP *** [2d,2s,9h]
rincon17: bets $0.04
Ant_256: calls $0.04
Stoneyman: calls $0.04
*** TURN *** [7h]
rincon17: bets $0.04
Ant_256: calls $0.04
Stoneyman: raises to $0.08
rincon17: calls $0.04
Ant_256: calls $0.04
*** RIVER *** [5d]
rincon17: checks
Ant_256: checks
Stoneyman: bets $0.48
rincon17: folds
Ant_256: folds
Stoneyman: returns uncalled bet $0.48
***SHOW DOWN***
Stoneyman: mucks
Stoneyman wins $0.58

First one looks alright to me. Not much of a cash player so don't think that'll help.

The second hand though I would have definitely raised the flop to .12 and the turn to somehthing like .30-.35.

Both of these hands were horrible.

1) fold or 3bet pre, folding is better though. Suited connectors don't play well OOP. Don't min raise flop, lots of money in the pot you can raise more and shove the turn.

Wtf are you doing playing shallow tables?

2) why did you min 3bet pre? Ew. Raise flop. Raise turn MUCH more.

Key lesson: stop min raising

what you mean shallow tables? wats wrong wit that? i shouldnt play there?..and how much should i raise? .12? n i dint wanna raise too much cuz i dint wnana scare them off but i dont think they had anythin i think they may be drawin so i was lettin them. but i guess il raise more..next time. but wen i raise wit low pockets i always lose some body calls medown and i lose to something higher.

smokeme said:

could i of made more with in these hands? how was my play?

Hand#2832015963001260 - Rome (6-max, shallow) 15963 -- $0.02/$0.04 NL Hold'em -- 2012/01/06 - 15:23:09
Dealer: Seat 10
Seat 1: Stoneyman ($1.53 in chips)
Seat 2: fishingdiago ($1.85 in chips)
Seat 8: IIIStresSIII ($0.98 in chips)
Seat 10: Ant_256 ($1.48 in chips)
Stoneyman: posts small blind $0.02
fishingdiago: posts big blind $0.04
Dealt to Stoneyman [8c,7c]
IIIStresSIII: folds
Ant_256: raises to $0.11
Stoneyman: calls $0.09
fishingdiago: calls $0.07
*** FLOP *** [4c,6c,5c]
Stoneyman: checks
fishingdiago: bets $0.17
Ant_256: calls $0.17
Stoneyman: raises to $0.34
fishingdiago: calls $0.17
Ant_256: calls $0.17
*** TURN *** 5♥
Stoneyman: bets $0.32
fishingdiago: folds
Ant_256: folds
Stoneyman: returns uncalled bet $0.32
***SHOW DOWN***
Stoneyman: shows [8c 7c]
Stoneyman wins $1.26

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I think you could have made that extra 32 cent profit if u would have just called instead of re-raising on the flop..u could have just been letting them play it out then re-raise on the river either way NH.good flop

I'm still relatively new myself but here is my analysis.

1st hand.

Fold pre as you're OOP. As played raised flop more, if re-raised shove. You want to protect your mid flush against those holding a single high club from catching another club. Shove turn.

2nd hand.

raise to 0.12c (3x bb + 1 bet per limper). Flop and Turn you wanted to be betting at least the 3/4 of the entire pot if not the pot. Shove if re-raised.

First hand fold pre. You could 3-bet pre but the button raiser has to be very loose.
Second hand. Raise at least .12 depending on the players that have to act after you. If they are loose raise harder to isolate the limper. The fact that you actually hit means nothing. You are not playing loto.

In both hands your strategy has to be: isolate the fish and c-bet the flop. If you are afraid to raise harder pre for some reason (loose guys to act after that can squize you) than better fold.

smokeme said:

what you mean shallow tables? wats wrong wit that? i shouldnt play there?..and how much should i raise? .12? n i dint wanna raise too much cuz i dint wnana scare them off but i dont think they had anythin i think they may be drawin so i was lettin them. but i guess il raise more..next time. but wen i raise wit low pockets i always lose some body calls medown and i lose to something higher.

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This is fishman thinking. If you are afraid of higher cards hitting than play only aces and kings. Chances to hit something with your duces are quite low. If you minraise on situations like this you are just leaking money almost every hand you decide to play.
You take the decision postflop depending on the situation but you play your position preflop agressive.

Uh humps he hand the absolute nuts in the first hand, SF.

There's just so much to say I can't even do it. Wish I was on my laptop. If I get on it later, I'll let you know my thoughts

I don't know if you could of, but maybe you could have...

smokeme said:

what you mean shallow tables? wats wrong wit that? i shouldnt play there?..

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Shallow tables mean you can't buy in for 100bbs(usually the max buy-in is 40bb). You can play there but you need to understand it takes a different kind of strategy than if you're playing at the normal tables

smokeme said:

and how much should i raise? .12? n i dint wanna raise too much cuz i dint wnana scare them off but i dont think they had anythin i think they may be drawin so i was lettin them.

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When you raise, you need to figure out what their range is and what parts of that range call your raise. Don't min raise because you are giving them good odds to chase their draws which means they aren't making a mistake when they call.

Usually when you raise postflop, I usually raise almost the size of the pot depending on what their range is.

smokeme said:

but i guess il raise more..next time. but wen i raise wit low pockets i always lose some body calls medown and i lose to something higher.

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Do you think it has something to do with you 3betting them preflop?

PotluckXXI said:

Uh humps he hand the absolute nuts in the first hand, SF.

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whoops thanks for that.

fold first one without a doubt, calling a preflop raise oop with low suited connectors is leaking money

second one if you're raising raise at least 3x or more, dont reraise, against one person pocket 2s might be ok, against that many you need a monster flop like what you got to play on! good luck on the tables!

1st one no need to min raise on the flop as you obv have the nutz.. Let the guy bet chasing his flush draw so you can get paid off on later streets when he does hit.

2nd hand, min raise with one limper in the hand already is weak bet, (your raising into a limper so you want to isolate him and min raising there isn't isolating him out),your better off raising to about .16 or around that range I believe i saw someone else post earlier up there 3xbb +1 is a good standard to go by. This way you can get more value on later streets with your hand

Good luck at the tables

I can't help but wonder if your not asking a more important question, which is whether you made good decisions. If you do that consistently, profit will come. What's more, you can control your decision-making, which influences but does not directly correlate with profit or loss on a given hand.

Hand 1 looks like a fold pre-flop. Even assuming the button has a fairly wide range, you have only middle suited connectors, you'll be OOP, and although it doesn't happen, it'll be a two-way pot most of the time. Another consideration is that you're calling .09 vs an opener who has 1.43 behind. Not horrid implied odds, but not all that juicy either.

If you want to reduce his stealing, raising is preferable to calling in the hope of out-flopping him because you'll only hit the flop a minority of the time, and most of those times, you still won't have that much of a hand.

On hand 2, when you raise limpers, a decent rule of thumb is 3x plus 1BB per limper. In this case, that would be .16 instead of .08. What is the min-raise supposed to accomplish? It's basically never right for the limper to fold, plus the smaller amount gives the blinds better pot and implied odds to call, which reduces your chances of isolating, albeit you're likely to have position. .

I prefer calling to the min-raise. The former would be in hope of getting an inexpensive opportunity to set mine. Note that by not inflating the pot, you retain higher implied odds.

As for betting small so as not to scare people off, thinking this way can be penny-wise, pound foolish in that you can make it less likely that an opponent will stack off. Also, why the check-raise? Even a small one says you have a big hand. They may call, but will be less likely to give you value on later streets.