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What to do when villain calls your continuation bet and leads out at you.

For example:
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$70 Buy In
Stacks 70BBs
Blinds 500/1000

Hero AKo raises 3400 x in CU first in, Villian calls in the BB.

Pot:7300
Flop: 7s 3c 9h
Villain checks.
Hero Bets 4800
Pot: 12100
Turn: 4s
Villain Bets 7000

What to do?

I hate it when an opponent does this? I don't want to give up chips but I also don't like showing weakness?

Is this an automatic fold or a chance to raise?

Is the next play soley based on read of my opponent?

If villain puts me on Top10% than I could have an overpair.
 
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Looks like a fold. What hands can the villain have that would call pre-flop OOP, call your c-bet on a pretty dry flop, and then lead when what looks like a blank comes on the turn. An overpair that he felt wasn't high enough to 3-bet pre-flop? A high overpair that he chose not to 3-bet? A pocket pair that flopped a set?

And how many of these holdings can you fold out by raising? Probably some, but not a large proportion. Is there much chance he's bluffing? If so, with what holdings that fit his actions? And what if he re-raises?
 
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Start with your preflop play please.There is no reason your preflop raise should have been over 2.5k.And therefore it will lower your cbet to 2.7 instead of 4.8
 
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You forgot to add Villain's flop call to the pot. So he's betting 7k into 16.9k pot. I still think you're beat, but maybe this is the kind of guy who would float a dry board.

I read somewhere that a key to tournament play is to lose small pots with AK and win big pots with it. Yes, obvious for most hands, but it reminds me not to play it too hard.

I fold, and hope he tries the same line of play when next time you have the goods!
 
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Fold. Also smaller pre because we lose 10% of our stack raising so big pre.
 
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I agree with what has been said about the opening raise size being too big. With that being said, I feel many players are aware of c betting and it's not as effective as it use to be. When c betting with air we need some sort of read that tells us villain is going to fold to c bets. So if we c bet with air and no reads, we need to do so on boards that look like they could hit our range. So, say it folds to you in the lo jack, you decide to raise with middle suited connectors, and the flop is A92 rainbow, c betting here is probably going to be more successful. Also, if you do get called you could pick up a draw on the turn, make a pair, whatever. Makes checking behind on the turn easier. You're not going to see many players trying to out play you oop while holding air. So don't think everyone is trying to resteal the pot from you, unless you have some sort of read that says so.
 
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Yeah - this. I used to auto c-bet (and once upon time it was profitable) but now a lot of players are very aware that many times you missed the flop as much as anyone and are making a stab at the pot. So they will now either float or come over the top if they perceive you are weak at all and will outbluff you.
Pretty much my last night of "auto" c-betting was when I got picked off several times be an astute pro on my right who had the right read on me. I later found out he held absolutely nothing each time but just acted on my propensity to c-bet air.
Now if I am going to C-Bet I have to do like TPC says - according to flop (does the flop match my preflop representation/range?)
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I agree with what has been said about the opening raise size being too big. With that being said, I feel many players are aware of c betting and it's not as effective as it use to be. When c betting with air we need some sort of read that tells us villain is going to fold to c bets. So if we c bet with air and no reads, we need to do so on boards that look like they could hit our range. So, say it folds to you in the lo jack, you decide to raise with middle suited connectors, and the flop is A92 rainbow, c betting here is probably going to be more successful. Also, if you do get called you could pick up a draw on the turn, make a pair, whatever. Makes checking behind on the turn easier. You're not going to see many players trying to out play you oop while holding air. So don't think everyone is trying to resteal the pot from you, unless you have some sort of read that says so.
 
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Yeah - this. I used to auto c-bet (and once upon time it was profitable) but now a lot of players are very aware that many times you missed the flop as much as anyone and are making a stab at the pot. So they will now either float or come over the top if they perceive you are weak at all and will outbluff you.
Pretty much my last night of "auto" c-betting was when I got picked off several times be an astute pro on my right who had the right read on me. I later found out he held absolutely nothing each time but just acted on my propensity to c-bet air.
Now if I am going to C-Bet I have to do like TPC says - according to flop (does the flop match my preflop representation/range?)

I don't mind just to C-bet and if you know you are against somebody who is floating alot make your next action a check/raise until they adjust. Easiest way to adjust against somebody who is floating alot.
 
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I agree with what has been said about the opening raise size being too big. With that being said, I feel many players are aware of c betting and it's not as effective as it use to be. When c betting with air we need some sort of read that tells us villain is going to fold to c bets. So if we c bet with air and no reads, we need to do so on boards that look like they could hit our range. So, say it folds to you in the lo jack, you decide to raise with middle suited connectors, and the flop is A92 rainbow, c betting here is probably going to be more successful. Also, if you do get called you could pick up a draw on the turn, make a pair, whatever. Makes checking behind on the turn easier. You're not going to see many players trying to out play you oop while holding air. So don't think everyone is trying to resteal the pot from you, unless you have some sort of read that says so.
Take on board, peoples advice on raisng too much pre-flop. Thanks

However, I think with players calling c-bets more often, this a great opportunity to raise with hands like 79s. A chance to win plenty of chips with players who automatically think you raise Top10 or 15% of hands, like my opponent.

Its also a matter of making your opponents think you play a wide range, then your c-bet would be much more effective.
 
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