Comment on these freeroll hands

tothbopo · Jun 5, 2014

Could I get some comments on this one?

Did I call to much hoping to get full house?

For you info the other players at the table are agressive bullies

pokerstars Hand #117136663027: Tournament #916078502, Freeroll Hold'em No Limit - Level III (40/80) - 2014/06/05 15:21:49 CET [2014/06/05 9:21:49 ET]
Table '916078502 720' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: petya2054 (1140 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 2: jptal (1140 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 3: Tothbopo (5780 in chips)
Seat 4: Slyfer199002 (1460 in chips)
Seat 5: Fart48 (4830 in chips)
Seat 6: tiago1l (1190 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 7: vlas6 (6560 in chips)
Seat 8: shpilpro (14100 in chips)
Seat 9: viktor-62 (5470 in chips)
Tothbopo: posts small blind 40
Slyfer199002: posts big blind 80
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Tothbopo [Qc Qs]
Fart48: folds
tiago1l: folds
vlas6: calls 80
shpilpro: folds
viktor-62: calls 80
petya2054: folds
jptal: folds
Tothbopo: calls 40
Slyfer199002: checks
*** FLOP *** [Qd 9d 8d]
Tothbopo: checks
Slyfer199002: checks
vlas6: bets 400
viktor-62: calls 400
Tothbopo: calls 400
Slyfer199002: folds
*** TURN *** [Qd 9d 8d] [Jc]
Tothbopo: checks
vlas6: bets 800
viktor-62: calls 800
Tothbopo: calls 800
*** RIVER *** [Qd 9d 8d Jc] [2d]
Tothbopo: checks
vlas6: bets 1200
viktor-62: raises 1200 to 2400
Tothbopo: folds
vlas6: raises 2880 to 5280 and is all-in
viktor-62: calls 1790 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (1090) returned to vlas6
*** SHOW DOWN ***
vlas6: shows [2c Kd] (a flush, King high)
viktor-62: shows [5c Ad] (a flush, Ace high)
viktor-62 collected 12300 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 12300 | Rake 0
Board [Qd 9d 8d Jc 2d]
Seat 1: petya2054 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: jptal (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Tothbopo (small blind) folded on the River
Seat 4: Slyfer199002 (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: Fart48 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: tiago1l folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: vlas6 showed [2c Kd] and lost with a flush, King high
Seat 8: shpilpro folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: viktor-62 showed [5c Ad] and won (12300) with a flush, Ace high

DonkeyH3AD · Jun 5, 2014

In my opinion You should make reraise turn to don't give chance to catch the flush and "reserch" opponents hands if someone would have 10 or flush probably rereraise You so then You can think about fold (You still have many outs on river) You shouldn't give up set of queens so easy taking into account that there are only 3 pl. including You Victor's call at turn was pretty weak like typical draw don't think anyone would slowroll straight Q (except Ad10d) on that spot because to many draws here. Yours call on turn was weird becuse You do not recieve any information about opponets range.
That is all from me

DenverDave · Jun 5, 2014

This is a freeroll. I have it in my head that a majority of players are going to play any suited Ace/Paint like your villain had done. And what were your reads of him? Had he shown this assumption to be true in previous hands? There are a lot of connectors and baby pairs being played. Look to your hand history, or tracking software if being used, to try and see what that says about your opponents.

I use HM2 and can't run on a freeroll. So I take lots of notes on hands being shown down as that sets up future reads. They are not always right, but I think it gives me an edge. If I know someone is going to play any suited Ace/Paint, and they reraise like here, they usually have something. DonkeyH34AD makes a good point about betting and then a min reraise, I would bet here to see if anyone got scared by this card. If you get reraised yourself, then it's a fold.

freerolls are a unique beast. Hang in there

rytciaq · Jun 5, 2014

DenverDave said:
This is a freeroll. I have it in my head that a majority of players are going to play any suited Ace/Paint like your villain had done. And what were your reads of him? Had he shown this assumption to be true in previous hands? There are a lot of connectors and baby pairs being played. Look to your hand history, or tracking software if being used, to try and see what that says about your opponents.

I use HM2 and can't run on a freeroll. So I take lots of notes on hands being shown down as that sets up future reads. They are not always right, but I think it gives me an edge. If I know someone is going to play any suited Ace/Paint, and they reraise like here, they usually have something. DonkeyH34AD makes a good point about betting and then a min reraise, I would bet here to see if anyone got scared by this card. If you get reraised yourself, then it's a fold.

Freerolls are a unique beast. Hang in there

In a freeroll you shouldn't fold queens. There are just too much people shipping 78o. Also, in your profile, in the "game" section it says "yes", which is pretty funny

Keith_MM · Jun 5, 2014

at 40/80 level in a freeroll i wouldn't class them as bullies ....idiots would be more apt

pre - looks an easy 3bet to 400. K2 and A5 probably fold and you take down the pot ...next hand

tothbopo · Jun 5, 2014

Having in mind I called them bullies its proberbly more correct to call them idiots.

The reason not to raise them is the fact that they were callers. Going all the way every time.

And I just had the feeling the flush were there.

So I wanted to look for full house as cheap as possible.

nichka33 · Jun 5, 2014

Pocket queens - a separate category of cards. It makes sense to raise from any position by 3-4 times the big blind, and reraise. If you get another reraise, then in this case it is necessary to call a it, and not to deploy an opponent. This hand is almost never take off preflop, however, ie excluding the situation: if you had to raise 2. After all, your task with such cards - isolate one opponent, and if the pot is 2-3 aggressive opponent, it is easier to fold a hand.

nichka33 · Jun 5, 2014

Poker - game situations and strict rules and framework does not exist. Since it is hard to argue. On the other hand, pocket pairs - hands that are quite simple and standard played.

Salvete777 · Jun 5, 2014

Fold QQ when you see that you can't win with just overpair or tree of kind. 4 same suits on table is one of these situations...

DrazaFFT · Jun 5, 2014

At first look and without looking to the outcome and other comments, i would first say why the hell you just completed BB with QQ????

Beside that as played fold river, till river you still have outs and lots of implied odds if boards pairs to go for stack, imho played good beside preflop

DonkeyH3AD · Jun 5, 2014

At first look and without looking to the outcome and other comments, i would first say why the hell you just completed BB with QQ????

Beside that as played fold river, till river you still have outs and lots of implied odds if boards pairs to go for stack, imho played good beside preflop

He was trapping agressors quess let them to catch top pair

Staneff · Jun 5, 2014

It`s freeroll. Good fold. Re-raise would result earlier all-in.

DrazaFFT · Jun 5, 2014

DonkeyH3AD said:
He was trapping agressors quess let them to catch top pair

Well if he raised preflop it would all look lot different, but the outcome would probably be the same, i don't see any bigger diamond folding anything but shove, maybe not even shove, and plus shoving the monotone flop isn't the good idea...

DonkeyH3AD · Jun 5, 2014

Staneff said:
It`s freeroll. Good fold. Re-raise would result earlier all-in.

What the hell....? If You got Ad 5c on that spot You would call reraise on turn?
like yours odds are <20% ? WRONG decision
Poker Hand Odds

Board: qd 9d 8d jc

Player 1: qc qs (win: 75.35%, lose: 17.82%, tie: 6.83%)
Player 2: ad 5c (win: 17.82%, lose: 75.35%, tie: 6.83%)

JPoling · Jun 5, 2014

Limping with QQ? That was your first mistake. That is easy 3-4BB raise pre-flop.

aznman08 · Jun 5, 2014

DonkeyH3AD said:
What the hell....? If You got Ad 5c on that spot You would call reraise on turn?

you're forgetting that this is a freeroll. a lot of people dont really play seriously.

tothbopo said:
Tothbopo: calls 40

Herein lies the problem. Screams FPS. Turning 3rd best starting hand into a set mine.

twohaha · Jun 5, 2014

This is a freeroll, people donk a lot, so put in a big 3-bet and bomb the flop if you get the same kind of flop.

tothbopo · Jun 6, 2014

KK

This is why I fold KKin early stage of tournaments in monthly Leaderboards Tournaments

PokerStars Hand #117173576801: Tournament #916078517, Freeroll Hold'em No Limit - Level I (20/40) - 2014/06/06 11:04:07 CET [2014/06/06 5:04:07 ET]
Table '916078517 68' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: hicham1711 (3040 in chips)
Seat 2: Tothbopo (1460 in chips)
Seat 3: Igal1503 (1580 in chips)
Seat 4: Ma4eTa (1440 in chips)
Seat 5: Svetik19871 (20 in chips)
Seat 6: Mik 17637 (1460 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 7: cintike30 (1500 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 8: edmonekia (1500 in chips)
Seat 9: yarema91 (1500 in chips)
Mik 17637: posts small blind 20
cintike30: posts big blind 40
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Tothbopo [Ks Kc]
edmonekia: folds
yarema91: folds
hicham1711: raises 3000 to 3040 and is all-in
Tothbopo: calls 1460 and is all-in
Igal1503: folds
Ma4eTa: folds
Svetik19871: calls 20 and is all-in
Mik 17637: folds
cintike30: folds
Uncalled bet (1580) returned to hicham1711
*** FLOP *** [Ad Jd Jh]
*** TURN *** [Ad Jd Jh] [3h]
*** RIVER *** [Ad Jd Jh 3h] [Js]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
hicham1711: shows [As Tc] (a full house, Jacks full of Aces)
Tothbopo: shows [Ks Kc] (a full house, Jacks full of Kings)
hicham1711 collected 2900 from side pot
Svetik19871: shows [4s 5s] (three of a kind, Jacks)
hicham1711 collected 100 from main pot
Tothbopo finished the tournament in 5827th place
Svetik19871 finished the tournament in 5828th place
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3000 Main pot 100. Side pot 2900. | Rake 0
Board [Ad Jd Jh 3h Js]
Seat 1: hicham1711 showed [As Tc] and won (3000) with a full house, Jacks full of Aces
Seat 2: Tothbopo showed [Ks Kc] and lost with a full house, Jacks full of Kings
Seat 3: Igal1503 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Ma4eTa folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Svetik19871 (button) showed [4s 5s] and lost with three of a kind, Jacks
Seat 6: Mik 17637 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: cintike30 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: edmonekia folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: yarema91 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

This mens 20 - 25 minus points for the leaderboard

And to complete it this happened 4 minutes earlier in Bankrollmob tournament

PokerStars Hand #117173494495: Tournament #916073349, Freeroll Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2014/06/06 11:00:02 CET [2014/06/06 5:00:02 ET]
Table '916073349 149' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Tothbopo (1500 in chips)
Seat 2: e1eventh (1500 in chips)
Seat 3: Traktor3443 (1500 in chips)
Seat 4: Aleksei K377 (1500 in chips)
Seat 5: goré7777 (1500 in chips)
Seat 6: ArtemTukodov (1500 in chips)
Seat 7: MaksimkaDo (1500 in chips)
Seat 8: kewarefluolo (1500 in chips)
Seat 9: djonni52 (1500 in chips)
e1eventh: posts small blind 10
Traktor3443: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Tothbopo [Kd Kh]
Aleksei K377: calls 20
goré7777: raises 1480 to 1500 and is all-in
ArtemTukodov: folds
MaksimkaDo: folds
kewarefluolo: folds
djonni52: folds
Tothbopo: calls 1500 and is all-in
e1eventh: calls 1490 and is all-in
Traktor3443: folds
Aleksei K377: folds
*** FLOP *** [6s 9c Qd]
*** TURN *** [6s 9c Qd] [Js]
*** RIVER *** [6s 9c Qd Js] [7d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
e1eventh: shows [Jd Jc] (three of a kind, Jacks)
goré7777: shows [Qc Ks] (a pair of Queens)
Tothbopo: shows [Kd Kh] (a pair of Kings)
e1eventh collected 4540 from pot
Tothbopo finished the tournament in 2373rd place
goré7777 finished the tournament in 2373rd place
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4540 | Rake 0
Board [6s 9c Qd Js 7d]
Seat 1: Tothbopo (button) showed [Kd Kh] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 2: e1eventh (small blind) showed [Jd Jc] and won (4540) with three of a kind, Jacks
Seat 3: Traktor3443 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: Aleksei K377 folded before Flop
Seat 5: goré7777 showed [Qc Ks] and lost with a pair of Queens
Seat 6: ArtemTukodov folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: MaksimkaDo folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: kewarefluolo folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: djonni52 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

But this leaderboard dont give minuspoint so no hard feelings here.

All in all I must win the next 50 KK pocket pairs if statistic is correct

zarzar78 · Jun 6, 2014

The best strategy in open league leaderboard is to wait to be in the points then be agressive push or fold; for that hand in the open i will fold preflop to avoid been out with 30 or 35 POINTS less; so it s a good move

rifflemao · Jun 6, 2014

tothbopo said:
This is why I fold KKin early stage of tournaments in monthly Leaderboards Tournaments

PokerStars Hand #117173576801: Tournament #916078517, Freeroll Hold'em No Limit - Level I (20/40) - 2014/06/06 11:04:07 CET [2014/06/06 5:04:07 ET]
Table '916078517 68' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: hicham1711 (3040 in chips)
Seat 2: Tothbopo (1460 in chips)
Seat 3: Igal1503 (1580 in chips)
Seat 4: Ma4eTa (1440 in chips)
Seat 5: Svetik19871 (20 in chips)
Seat 6: Mik 17637 (1460 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 7: cintike30 (1500 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 8: edmonekia (1500 in chips)
Seat 9: yarema91 (1500 in chips)
Mik 17637: posts small blind 20
cintike30: posts big blind 40
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Tothbopo [Ks Kc]
edmonekia: folds
yarema91: folds
hicham1711: raises 3000 to 3040 and is all-in
Tothbopo: calls 1460 and is all-in
Igal1503: folds
Ma4eTa: folds
Svetik19871: calls 20 and is all-in
Mik 17637: folds
cintike30: folds
Uncalled bet (1580) returned to hicham1711
*** FLOP *** [Ad Jd Jh]
*** TURN *** [Ad Jd Jh] 3♥
*** RIVER *** [Ad Jd Jh 3h] J♠
*** SHOW DOWN ***
hicham1711: shows [As Tc] (a full house, Jacks full of Aces)
Tothbopo: shows [Ks Kc] (a full house, Jacks full of Kings)
hicham1711 collected 2900 from side pot
Svetik19871: shows [4s 5s] (three of a kind, Jacks)
hicham1711 collected 100 from main pot
Tothbopo finished the tournament in 5827th place
Svetik19871 finished the tournament in 5828th place
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3000 Main pot 100. Side pot 2900. | Rake 0
Board [Ad Jd Jh 3h Js]
Seat 1: hicham1711 showed [As Tc] and won (3000) with a full house, Jacks full of Aces
Seat 2: Tothbopo showed [Ks Kc] and lost with a full house, Jacks full of Kings
Seat 3: Igal1503 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Ma4eTa folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Svetik19871 (button) showed [4s 5s] and lost with three of a kind, Jacks
Seat 6: Mik 17637 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: cintike30 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: edmonekia folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: yarema91 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

This mens 20 - 25 minus points for the leaderboard

And to complete it this happened 4 minutes earlier in Bankrollmob tournament

PokerStars Hand #117173494495: Tournament #916073349, Freeroll Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2014/06/06 11:00:02 CET [2014/06/06 5:00:02 ET]
Table '916073349 149' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Tothbopo (1500 in chips)
Seat 2: e1eventh (1500 in chips)
Seat 3: Traktor3443 (1500 in chips)
Seat 4: Aleksei K377 (1500 in chips)
Seat 5: goré7777 (1500 in chips)
Seat 6: ArtemTukodov (1500 in chips)
Seat 7: MaksimkaDo (1500 in chips)
Seat 8: kewarefluolo (1500 in chips)
Seat 9: djonni52 (1500 in chips)
e1eventh: posts small blind 10
Traktor3443: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Tothbopo [Kd Kh]
Aleksei K377: calls 20
goré7777: raises 1480 to 1500 and is all-in
ArtemTukodov: folds
MaksimkaDo: folds
kewarefluolo: folds
djonni52: folds
Tothbopo: calls 1500 and is all-in
e1eventh: calls 1490 and is all-in
Traktor3443: folds
Aleksei K377: folds
*** FLOP *** [6s 9c Qd]
*** TURN *** [6s 9c Qd] J♠
*** RIVER *** [6s 9c Qd Js] 7♦
*** SHOW DOWN ***
e1eventh: shows [Jd Jc] (three of a kind, Jacks)
goré7777: shows [Qc Ks] (a pair of Queens)
Tothbopo: shows [Kd Kh] (a pair of Kings)
e1eventh collected 4540 from pot
Tothbopo finished the tournament in 2373rd place
goré7777 finished the tournament in 2373rd place
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4540 | Rake 0
Board [6s 9c Qd Js 7d]
Seat 1: Tothbopo (button) showed [Kd Kh] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 2: e1eventh (small blind) showed [Jd Jc] and won (4540) with three of a kind, Jacks
Seat 3: Traktor3443 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: Aleksei K377 folded before Flop
Seat 5: goré7777 showed [Qc Ks] and lost with a pair of Queens
Seat 6: ArtemTukodov folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: MaksimkaDo folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: kewarefluolo folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: djonni52 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

But this leaderboard dont give minuspoint so no hard feelings here.

All in all I must win the next 50 KK pocket pairs if statistic is correct

Both hands well-played, imo. You started with an edge for a chance to triple up...in a freeroll. The fact that you lost the hands shouldn't change the way you play KK preflop. That's called results-oriented thinking.

It's interesting that the presence of 4s5s in the first hand reduces your edge to a coin-flip, but you still have an edge and a great hand.

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